1 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:09,650 today we welcome all borealis to skeptic 2 00:00:15,049 --> 00:00:12,330 Oh borealis isn't his real name but 3 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:15,059 that's part of the stealthy image that 4 00:00:21,109 --> 00:00:17,910 he's created al is the creator and host 5 00:00:25,310 --> 00:00:21,119 of the very excellent forum borealis 6 00:00:28,220 --> 00:00:25,320 podcast a podcast that seeks to bust all 7 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:28,230 sorts of paradigms be they scientific 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:31,369 political religious historical 9 00:00:38,119 --> 00:00:35,130 conspiratorial all of them in any of 10 00:00:41,660 --> 00:00:38,129 them and what's really unique and 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:41,670 special about al is the way he goes 12 00:00:45,260 --> 00:00:44,010 about that and what his show is all 13 00:00:48,979 --> 00:00:45,270 about and that's what I really want to 14 00:00:52,330 --> 00:00:48,989 get to today in this special coming out 15 00:00:55,639 --> 00:00:52,340 party I've had I've actually managed to 16 00:00:57,229 --> 00:00:55,649 unmask Al so you're listening to this 17 00:00:59,060 --> 00:00:57,239 audio but if you want to go up on 18 00:01:02,270 --> 00:00:59,070 YouTube if they allowed on YouTube 19 00:01:06,530 --> 00:01:02,280 you'll actually see al on camera that's 20 00:01:10,609 --> 00:01:06,540 a first right it's a first but I didn't 21 00:01:13,010 --> 00:01:10,619 say it in where I'm asked yes 22 00:01:15,350 --> 00:01:13,020 do not be bold so just a little bit more 23 00:01:19,190 --> 00:01:15,360 you know when I say it's a special show 24 00:01:22,580 --> 00:01:19,200 I mean where else are you going to give 25 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:22,590 five hours of interview with Peter 26 00:01:26,149 --> 00:01:23,280 lavinda 27 00:01:27,710 --> 00:01:26,159 on UFO disclosure I mean that's 28 00:01:31,609 --> 00:01:27,720 remarkable where else are you gonna get 29 00:01:35,690 --> 00:01:31,619 six hours or more with Joseph Ferrell 30 00:01:38,539 --> 00:01:35,700 just on JFK and all of it I've listened 31 00:01:40,940 --> 00:01:38,549 to every minute of it it's spellbinding 32 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:40,950 I mean it's just fantastic stuff and 33 00:01:47,469 --> 00:01:43,110 then throw in a couple hours with the 34 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:47,479 famous 88 year old past lives researcher 35 00:01:56,090 --> 00:01:51,329 Orlando Harrelson I mean this is just a 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:56,100 diverse deep dive into topics that weave 37 00:02:02,179 --> 00:01:58,890 together in a way that listeners to this 38 00:02:04,639 --> 00:02:02,189 show will understand but I think most 39 00:02:07,490 --> 00:02:04,649 people are still left on the outside 40 00:02:09,889 --> 00:02:07,500 looking in in terms of wondering how all 41 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:09,899 that can happen so al it's just 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:12,510 fantastic I so love and appreciate your 43 00:02:15,270 --> 00:02:13,330 show 44 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:15,280 and I'm really grateful for you joining 45 00:02:22,380 --> 00:02:18,700 me today on sceptical it's such an honor 46 00:02:25,530 --> 00:02:22,390 to be invited you know I told your 47 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:25,540 friend Gordon I think I came clean about 48 00:02:34,530 --> 00:02:29,110 the fact that before we started our own 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:34,540 podcast or did listen to podcasts to old 50 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:38,410 school so but I did listen to yours so 51 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:44,590 it's it's pretty cool that I'm on your 52 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:47,770 stem well it's really it's really cool 53 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:50,770 to have you obviously and I just want to 54 00:02:55,710 --> 00:02:52,270 share I thought I'd share with people a 55 00:02:56,970 --> 00:02:55,720 little bit the kind of I told folks what 56 00:02:59,370 --> 00:02:56,980 you're about but I want to share a 57 00:03:02,310 --> 00:02:59,380 little bit of the vibe that you create 58 00:03:05,670 --> 00:03:02,320 at forum borealis just by playing a 59 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:05,680 little bit of the intro that you do so 60 00:03:12,060 --> 00:03:09,010 that people can get just the sense of 61 00:03:15,210 --> 00:03:12,070 feel for what's going on this is from 62 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:15,220 the intro to forum borealis what all 63 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:19,840 does it feel is it spooky will let it 64 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:29,890 expansions greetings from the north and 65 00:03:39,020 --> 00:03:36,450 welcome to forum borealis that of course 66 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:39,030 is Al's introduction and you know the 67 00:03:44,570 --> 00:03:41,850 first thing I wanted to just get in 68 00:03:49,730 --> 00:03:44,580 there and ask this question because you 69 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:49,740 do have this mysterious element to the 70 00:03:53,930 --> 00:03:52,170 show it's very very accessible I don't 71 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:53,940 want to make it sound like you're kind 72 00:03:56,990 --> 00:03:55,290 of talking in rhymes or anything like 73 00:03:59,420 --> 00:03:57,000 it's very accessible very penetrating 74 00:04:03,890 --> 00:03:59,430 very well-done but there's a little bit 75 00:04:08,030 --> 00:04:03,900 about this mysterious North great white 76 00:04:11,449 --> 00:04:08,040 northern islands of Norway what is that 77 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:11,459 all about in terms of how do you think 78 00:04:17,479 --> 00:04:15,360 that influences you and influences the 79 00:04:19,220 --> 00:04:17,489 show and and maybe tell people a little 80 00:04:23,830 --> 00:04:19,230 bit about what I'm talking about in 81 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:30,260 well Norwegians or whether they want it 82 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:33,990 or not they are ingrained in nature so 83 00:04:40,460 --> 00:04:37,380 we have the nature mystique we haven't 84 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:40,470 lost arts so much because it's a huge 85 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:43,440 country in terms of geography but a 86 00:04:51,980 --> 00:04:46,490 small country in terms of citizens so 87 00:04:54,550 --> 00:04:51,990 like where I grew up Bergen it's called 88 00:04:57,860 --> 00:04:54,560 a seven the city of the seven mountains 89 00:05:00,740 --> 00:04:57,870 so it took me like 15 minutes to be on 90 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:00,750 the top of a mountain and it took me 15 91 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:03,710 minutes to go downtown so we're very 92 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:10,310 very close to nature and that influences 93 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:15,330 what I believe young called the the Falk 94 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:20,130 spirit the forth Geist if that makes 95 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:26,640 sense so uh there's a lot of weird stuff 96 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:28,470 happening up here too you know the 97 00:05:33,890 --> 00:05:30,570 closer you get to the pole the the more 98 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:33,900 riskier it is so we have like I'm gonna 99 00:05:36,820 --> 00:05:35,340 have a show about that you went you know 100 00:05:39,610 --> 00:05:36,830 when I started out 101 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:39,620 I didn't want to have traditional you a 102 00:05:44,020 --> 00:05:42,260 full show I know you didn't either but 103 00:05:46,630 --> 00:05:44,030 you ended up that you didn't have any 104 00:05:49,450 --> 00:05:46,640 choice right kind of the same thing has 105 00:05:52,510 --> 00:05:49,460 happened here but I've always known I'm 106 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:52,520 obliged to cover one aspect of the UFOs 107 00:05:59,440 --> 00:05:57,010 and that's what's called the hasedera 108 00:06:03,420 --> 00:05:59,450 phenomenon because that's one of the 109 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:03,430 most scientific researched phenomenons 110 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:06,050 connected to UFOs and there's a 111 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:08,750 university people university studies all 112 00:06:15,430 --> 00:06:11,380 that stuff so I'm gonna have an academic 113 00:06:17,950 --> 00:06:15,440 academic on from my university who's 114 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:17,960 going to account for that because they 115 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:20,320 haven't found little green man in 116 00:06:28,060 --> 00:06:23,450 spaceships but they have found physical 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:28,070 and plasma and energy and astral and all 118 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:31,010 sorts of weird light and energy 119 00:06:35,380 --> 00:06:33,530 phenomenons it's it's been all over the 120 00:06:37,450 --> 00:06:35,390 mainstream press it started out as a 121 00:06:40,270 --> 00:06:37,460 fault thing we have many folks we have 122 00:06:43,630 --> 00:06:40,280 even have our own Loch Ness monster by 123 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:43,640 the way that's another place so these 124 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:45,890 different nature places different stuff 125 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:48,410 is going on and if you are familiar with 126 00:06:55,090 --> 00:06:52,610 mythology and fork claw and stuff like 127 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:55,100 that we have a lot of stories about for 128 00:07:04,570 --> 00:06:58,130 instance pretty virgins being taken by 129 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:04,580 the mountain king the elfs and creatures 130 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:08,330 living and we're not us extremist 131 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:11,090 Icelanders they have never upgraded from 132 00:07:16,710 --> 00:07:13,330 the Viking time they still go out and 133 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:16,720 sacrifice to the wood spirits and 134 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:19,250 mountain Dwarfs and all that they're 135 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:22,310 really in touch with their land but but 136 00:07:27,100 --> 00:07:25,580 we have it more we lost a deliberate 137 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:27,110 contact but we have the subconscious 138 00:07:33,820 --> 00:07:29,690 contact still and you know today people 139 00:07:36,310 --> 00:07:33,830 are growing up without even you know 140 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:36,320 living in big cities then never even see 141 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:41,330 nature many people so so I think that 142 00:07:46,510 --> 00:07:44,270 influences us I don't know if I'll 143 00:07:49,330 --> 00:07:46,520 answer your question by the way I think 144 00:07:50,620 --> 00:07:49,340 you have and I guess I'd even draw it 145 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:50,630 was what you were going for 146 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:52,850 okay well you you kind of took it in a 147 00:07:56,580 --> 00:07:54,530 slightly different direction that opens 148 00:07:58,870 --> 00:07:56,590 up another line of question because 149 00:08:01,570 --> 00:07:58,880 reading between the lines what I hear 150 00:08:05,070 --> 00:08:01,580 you saying is where you are in 151 00:08:09,090 --> 00:08:05,080 particular makes forces you to be more 152 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:09,100 connected to nature and by the same way 153 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:12,370 forces you to be connected with this 154 00:08:18,670 --> 00:08:15,650 subconscious understanding of this 155 00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:18,680 greater reality and as I say that I want 156 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:21,200 people to know that that's kind of an 157 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:23,180 interesting insight because I don't 158 00:08:28,690 --> 00:08:26,090 think folks would get that just from 159 00:08:29,740 --> 00:08:28,700 listening to forum borealis I mean like 160 00:08:31,540 --> 00:08:29,750 we're going to talk about on this show 161 00:08:34,390 --> 00:08:31,550 none of the stuff we're going to talk 162 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:34,400 about on this show is really related to 163 00:08:39,909 --> 00:08:36,110 any of that I mean you come at things 164 00:08:43,180 --> 00:08:39,919 from a very a mainstream conspiratorial 165 00:08:45,580 --> 00:08:43,190 standpoint if you can or yeah but have 166 00:08:47,710 --> 00:08:45,590 you noticed I rarely used to Road 167 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:47,720 conspiracy well it's a completely 168 00:08:53,470 --> 00:08:50,810 contrived word right yeah you're coming 169 00:08:55,690 --> 00:08:53,480 at it from a reality standpoint but if 170 00:08:57,430 --> 00:08:55,700 we say that it throws people off I mean 171 00:08:59,890 --> 00:08:57,440 that's why they've kind of won the 172 00:09:03,040 --> 00:08:59,900 battle with conspiracy theory every time 173 00:09:06,130 --> 00:09:03,050 conspiracy theory that phrase comes out 174 00:09:08,110 --> 00:09:06,140 of our mouth they've won a little bit of 175 00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:08,120 that battle but we still have to get 176 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:11,360 there but let me go back to your place 177 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:13,970 right now where you sit and I love what 178 00:09:17,290 --> 00:09:15,260 you said I think it's interesting on 179 00:09:19,150 --> 00:09:17,300 this code expound on that even more and 180 00:09:22,810 --> 00:09:19,160 then the team that you've put together 181 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:22,820 and and what your vision has been and is 182 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:26,570 for the show who who you've attracted to 183 00:09:29,980 --> 00:09:27,710 the show I always think that's 184 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:29,990 interesting you know we all start these 185 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:33,110 shows and we have one vision of who 186 00:09:37,750 --> 00:09:35,570 we're talking to and then we find that 187 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:37,760 our audience is sometimes slightly 188 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:39,530 different from that and sometimes in a 189 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:41,650 good way and sometimes in a way we can't 190 00:09:48,190 --> 00:09:44,570 understand do you have any thoughts on 191 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:48,200 you know that whole process of foreign 192 00:09:57,340 --> 00:09:54,050 Borealis the audience the audience the 193 00:10:00,490 --> 00:09:57,350 impetus for starting it the team that 194 00:10:04,290 --> 00:10:00,500 drives it any of that stuff that pops to 195 00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:04,300 mind well the audience 196 00:10:12,910 --> 00:10:09,440 or pretty bright I'm not saying you know 197 00:10:14,650 --> 00:10:12,920 I've seen hosts you know licked the 198 00:10:17,460 --> 00:10:14,660 asses of the audience telling them how 199 00:10:19,060 --> 00:10:17,470 bright their are but these guys Albright 200 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:19,070 case in point 201 00:10:25,570 --> 00:10:22,670 Peter LaVonda you mentioned him he you 202 00:10:28,030 --> 00:10:25,580 know he's done many shows with us and 203 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:28,040 he's game for many more but he never you 204 00:10:32,290 --> 00:10:29,930 know those people are so busy they never 205 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:32,300 listen to - what's going on right they 206 00:10:38,410 --> 00:10:33,650 don't even listen to their own 207 00:10:41,350 --> 00:10:38,420 interviews and so they that they will 208 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:41,360 know what all stream media is what they 209 00:10:46,180 --> 00:10:43,490 won't necessarily know what new stream 210 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:46,190 media I sought but somehow he stumbled 211 00:10:49,990 --> 00:10:48,170 upon one of the videos we made and he 212 00:10:53,410 --> 00:10:50,000 started to read the comments and he was 213 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:53,420 amazed how because you know YouTube is 214 00:11:00,250 --> 00:10:56,930 really troll City right 215 00:11:02,260 --> 00:11:00,260 it's the basest comments that usually 216 00:11:06,060 --> 00:11:02,270 end up there but when he read our 217 00:11:10,630 --> 00:11:06,070 comment section he had two kudos the 218 00:11:12,070 --> 00:11:10,640 level of insight there and I I think the 219 00:11:15,430 --> 00:11:12,080 reason is twofold 220 00:11:17,860 --> 00:11:15,440 one is that we actually attend a comment 221 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:17,870 section so far I don't know if we can 222 00:11:23,950 --> 00:11:19,490 continue doing that for a long time 223 00:11:25,900 --> 00:11:23,960 because he's just exploding but and and 224 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:25,910 if the if the people commenting know 225 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:28,490 that the people who who's you know if 226 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:30,110 they feel the presence they're gonna 227 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:32,090 behave a little more real I think like 228 00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:34,130 if you're actually sitting in a forum 229 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:43,420 when when we have like kind of book 230 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:47,110 review shows I'd say it's kind of like 231 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:50,330 many of the guests we go through a book 232 00:11:55,060 --> 00:11:53,210 which is reflecting the show that 233 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:55,070 attracts book readers you know or it 234 00:11:59,830 --> 00:11:58,250 creates book readers and book readers 235 00:12:04,960 --> 00:11:59,840 are per definition a little more 236 00:12:08,250 --> 00:12:04,970 reflected so I think that's part of the 237 00:12:11,140 --> 00:12:08,260 reason we have kind of a broad 238 00:12:14,890 --> 00:12:11,150 relationship but is of course also that 239 00:12:16,660 --> 00:12:14,900 we take on topics that I think are among 240 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:16,670 the more sentient 241 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:19,910 in that field that you unfortunately 242 00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:22,930 described as conspiracy so we try 243 00:12:31,180 --> 00:12:27,700 deliberately avoided the obvious bunk 244 00:12:32,340 --> 00:12:31,190 stuff that I personally think is more 245 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:32,350 likely [\h__\h] 246 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:37,100 so that you know then you have one foot 247 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:39,920 in reality and it's easier to I mean 248 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:43,010 objective agreed-upon reality and it's 249 00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:46,610 easier to open the veil - you know peek 250 00:12:54,340 --> 00:12:49,340 behind the immediate reality I think 251 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:54,350 that's that's some of how this came 252 00:12:58,090 --> 00:12:56,350 about where the people we have 253 00:12:59,710 --> 00:12:58,100 absolutely I don't think it's too 254 00:13:02,530 --> 00:12:59,720 different from your people though I 255 00:13:05,050 --> 00:13:02,540 think it's true I'm amazed at some of 256 00:13:06,670 --> 00:13:05,060 the people that are attracted to skeptic 257 00:13:08,380 --> 00:13:06,680 oh it and that's what's really driven me 258 00:13:10,090 --> 00:13:08,390 forward really to be honest with you is 259 00:13:13,090 --> 00:13:10,100 there because then I'm getting something 260 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:13,100 out of it right I have to say you know 261 00:13:16,990 --> 00:13:14,450 I've started putting some YouTube's on 262 00:13:18,820 --> 00:13:17,000 video I'm sorry I've started putting 263 00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:18,830 some videos on YouTube and I've yet to 264 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:21,680 gain that kind of traction some 265 00:13:26,830 --> 00:13:24,110 intelligent comments it's really 266 00:13:28,330 --> 00:13:26,840 discouraging some of those but you have 267 00:13:30,070 --> 00:13:28,340 that know you have that but you have 268 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:30,080 that in you I've seen it yeah it's in 269 00:13:35,340 --> 00:13:32,510 your forum yes where you your people are 270 00:13:39,310 --> 00:13:35,350 talking you haven't been a youtuber so 271 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:39,320 yeah I just yeah it's encouraging to 272 00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:41,450 hear from you that it's out there 273 00:13:46,570 --> 00:13:43,900 because I mean I get 1 out of 10 274 00:13:49,780 --> 00:13:46,580 comments on YouTube that I I can even 275 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:49,790 get through without just and not all of 276 00:13:54,580 --> 00:13:51,170 them are negative I mean some of them 277 00:13:56,590 --> 00:13:54,590 are like positively stupid like cheer 278 00:13:59,080 --> 00:13:56,600 you to death stupid you know I mean like 279 00:14:02,400 --> 00:13:59,090 did you you you're you're being 280 00:14:06,190 --> 00:14:02,410 complimentary but you didn't really get 281 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:06,200 so I'm not quite sure what to do with 282 00:14:09,940 --> 00:14:07,880 your compliment but you know what yeah 283 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:09,950 but again you're not a youtuber they not 284 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:12,170 gonna go into youtube to see skeptical 285 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:14,630 so whoever you get there are just extras 286 00:14:19,410 --> 00:14:16,850 are just you know coincidental randoms 287 00:14:22,510 --> 00:14:19,420 falling in from the streets your people 288 00:14:24,910 --> 00:14:22,520 they are pretty smart and they ought to 289 00:14:27,730 --> 00:14:24,920 be because you started out in a 290 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:27,740 completely different direction and me 291 00:14:32,420 --> 00:14:30,810 I did but it's interesting and one of 292 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:32,430 the things we want to talk about is how 293 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:35,330 those directions have converged because 294 00:14:39,890 --> 00:14:37,890 I always bring this up with people and 295 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:39,900 no one seems to get it you know what I 296 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:41,370 mean like part of the feedback I'll get 297 00:14:45,590 --> 00:14:43,410 even from people that have been with me 298 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:45,600 for a while is like and I don't want to 299 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:47,610 get too far off into this right now but 300 00:14:54,370 --> 00:14:50,250 like gee why are you so into conspiracy 301 00:14:58,820 --> 00:14:54,380 stuff I'm like I didn't mean to sorry 302 00:15:02,960 --> 00:14:58,830 sorry just spent five years he's better 303 00:15:07,010 --> 00:15:02,970 bread - crumbs end up in exactly five 304 00:15:11,290 --> 00:15:07,020 years with you know bashing into the 305 00:15:14,210 --> 00:15:11,300 skeptical [\h__\h] that's completely 306 00:15:15,950 --> 00:15:14,220 co-opted science and I mean if at some 307 00:15:18,410 --> 00:15:15,960 point you don't scratch your head and 308 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:18,420 say hey maybe there's something else 309 00:15:24,020 --> 00:15:21,510 going on here with this agenda and 310 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:24,030 similarly you know to your credit we're 311 00:15:28,460 --> 00:15:26,130 gonna talk a minute about airlander 312 00:15:30,670 --> 00:15:28,470 Harrelson and you know you're doing an 313 00:15:34,430 --> 00:15:30,680 interview with a guy who is a very 314 00:15:36,620 --> 00:15:34,440 skeptic Oh kind of guy and you do that 315 00:15:38,990 --> 00:15:36,630 stuff for the it and I think that's 316 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:39,000 where we kind of cross paths in in a 317 00:15:44,630 --> 00:15:41,250 beautiful way that makes me feel like 318 00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:44,640 I'm on the right path because I'm 319 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:46,800 crossing paths with other people I 320 00:15:52,070 --> 00:15:49,620 really like and respect who seemed to be 321 00:15:53,630 --> 00:15:52,080 following the same strings on the 322 00:15:56,330 --> 00:15:53,640 sweater and they're leading back to oh 323 00:15:58,070 --> 00:15:56,340 ok I get it and I guess that brings up 324 00:16:01,210 --> 00:15:58,080 this whole the first topic I wanted to 325 00:16:05,420 --> 00:16:01,220 kind of dive into and that is this 326 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:05,430 truth-seeking process so if you can kind 327 00:16:13,330 --> 00:16:09,330 of go behind the show behind forum 328 00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:13,340 borealis I mean what drives you what 329 00:16:19,310 --> 00:16:17,040 gets you excited about that process I 330 00:16:22,820 --> 00:16:19,320 mean I know what does for me you know 331 00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:22,830 what makes it like man I just get the 332 00:16:27,470 --> 00:16:25,260 juices flowing when I learn something 333 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:27,480 new or in my case sometimes when I kind 334 00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:29,250 of nail somebody on something that 335 00:16:34,820 --> 00:16:32,100 they're not totally being upfront about 336 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:34,830 or or trying to hide you know well do 337 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:37,650 you have any thoughts or stories about 338 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:39,870 you know particular interviews you've 339 00:16:43,819 --> 00:16:40,649 done where you 340 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:43,829 really dug into a new area that you know 341 00:16:47,259 --> 00:16:45,209 really kind of changed your perspective 342 00:16:50,660 --> 00:16:47,269 on things 343 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:50,670 yeah Tom you're asking very good 344 00:16:56,119 --> 00:16:53,809 questions I have to think and reflects I 345 00:17:02,119 --> 00:16:56,129 haven't got enough coffee to do that 346 00:17:06,169 --> 00:17:02,129 really but yeah yeah I didn't expect 347 00:17:09,370 --> 00:17:06,179 that when I began I we just wanted to 348 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:09,380 cover it's like what I've heard you say 349 00:17:14,919 --> 00:17:12,750 you that you you came clean once and one 350 00:17:17,090 --> 00:17:14,929 of your shows you said something about 351 00:17:20,149 --> 00:17:17,100 first of you said you could get free 352 00:17:22,639 --> 00:17:20,159 books that's a good reason to start the 353 00:17:25,639 --> 00:17:22,649 podcast if you were into books but you 354 00:17:27,049 --> 00:17:25,649 wanted to talk with people right you 355 00:17:32,149 --> 00:17:27,059 just wanted to talk with people like 356 00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:32,159 Sheldrake same here I want Ben talking 357 00:17:40,430 --> 00:17:35,820 with people or my life big shots like in 358 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:40,440 certain circles and I've said this 359 00:17:45,889 --> 00:17:43,770 before other where I said I wish there 360 00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:45,899 was flies on the wall because when I've 361 00:17:50,180 --> 00:17:48,360 had very interesting conversations it 362 00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:50,190 kind of a waste and I'm the only one who 363 00:17:57,529 --> 00:17:52,950 you know listens to this and learns from 364 00:17:59,720 --> 00:17:57,539 that so I've often thought you know if 365 00:18:01,970 --> 00:17:59,730 that person was here now listen to this 366 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:01,980 whatever right and you can't really 367 00:18:08,810 --> 00:18:06,090 retell it's something magic about spoken 368 00:18:10,850 --> 00:18:08,820 word the living word when a lecture is 369 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:10,860 very different from a conversation and 370 00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:12,690 conversations are the clue by the way 371 00:18:17,659 --> 00:18:15,360 many newbies don't get that we got a lot 372 00:18:20,029 --> 00:18:17,669 of people falling in from the very 373 00:18:23,930 --> 00:18:20,039 popular Antarctica's show and there used 374 00:18:26,510 --> 00:18:23,940 to you know one-liners some prescriptive 375 00:18:28,460 --> 00:18:26,520 on liner and then lecture in reply they 376 00:18:31,460 --> 00:18:28,470 won't get that here I know that your 377 00:18:33,470 --> 00:18:31,470 plays either I like that but so a 378 00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:33,480 conversations is the name of the game 379 00:18:37,730 --> 00:18:35,039 and it's very old-school I'm actually 380 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:37,740 inspired specifically by two shows or 381 00:18:46,370 --> 00:18:42,240 Norwegian radio as for the format not 382 00:18:49,460 --> 00:18:46,380 the contents but so yeah so I didn't 383 00:18:52,530 --> 00:18:49,470 realize that I would learn that much and 384 00:18:57,900 --> 00:18:52,540 that my perspective would change 385 00:19:01,010 --> 00:18:57,910 I mean I'm not a dogmatic person but but 386 00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:01,020 I thought I had many bases covered and 387 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:05,380 then I forced my paradigm I was supposed 388 00:19:10,980 --> 00:19:08,530 to after the audience's paradigm but my 389 00:19:15,210 --> 00:19:10,990 own has been arrested too I'll give you 390 00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:15,220 one I don't enjoy nailing people that's 391 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:18,160 not my style I know you keep saying I I 392 00:19:22,410 --> 00:19:21,370 do challenge them but that's what 393 00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:22,420 happens when you have natural 394 00:19:27,450 --> 00:19:24,700 conversations it's not that I'm trying 395 00:19:29,850 --> 00:19:27,460 to challenge them and in fact if and 396 00:19:33,630 --> 00:19:29,860 when I do you'll notice I do it in a 397 00:19:36,270 --> 00:19:33,640 very I don't want to say sneaky but I 398 00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:36,280 wear a pleasant way and it's easier to 399 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:38,950 do it if they don't because you know 400 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:42,970 emotions cloud thinking so you better 401 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:46,480 keep bad emotions away as much as you 402 00:19:54,270 --> 00:19:51,010 can try to be a little detached I guess 403 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:54,280 we could call it professional and be 404 00:20:00,600 --> 00:19:56,410 immersed in the inner subject you 405 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:00,610 discussing and if that happens then you 406 00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,130 know yeah then I can challenge but 407 00:20:11,850 --> 00:20:06,400 usually I try if I talk at all it's 408 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:11,860 three reasons one sometimes I try to be 409 00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:15,850 a good host and imagine the audience and 410 00:20:23,820 --> 00:20:20,260 you have to you know sometimes go engage 411 00:20:26,670 --> 00:20:23,830 to adjust stuff so that the audience 412 00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:26,680 follows so I would you know the guest 413 00:20:31,170 --> 00:20:28,750 assumes everybody and especially if if 414 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:31,180 I'm knowledgeable about the subject it's 415 00:20:37,650 --> 00:20:34,090 very easy to become like an elite kind 416 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:37,660 of just you have to earth it once in a 417 00:20:41,850 --> 00:20:39,610 while to get everyone with you as money 418 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:41,860 as possible at least we don't have too 419 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:45,310 many newbies but you know just to touch 420 00:20:49,860 --> 00:20:47,170 base and make sure everybody is on board 421 00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:49,870 that's one reason I interrupt another 422 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:53,760 reason is that I get engaged and I wanna 423 00:20:59,460 --> 00:20:57,250 offer my two cents because nobody can 424 00:21:02,520 --> 00:20:59,470 offer all perspectives and two heads can 425 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:02,530 better you know enlighten topic more 426 00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,390 focus more angles so that I do 427 00:21:08,980 --> 00:21:07,280 and sometimes that's something the 428 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:08,990 guests haven't thought about and that's 429 00:21:15,250 --> 00:21:11,210 what I love I love nailing them on that 430 00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:15,260 like III launch just it often comes to a 431 00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:18,830 memory we talk it just comes to me for 432 00:21:25,870 --> 00:21:21,470 astrologers out there I have mercury in 433 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:25,880 areas the homes connecting all the way 434 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:28,850 up intuition so and when that happens 435 00:21:33,130 --> 00:21:31,130 it's pretty funny sometimes I have to 436 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:33,140 edit it because their reactions are like 437 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:35,510 they stopped I'm not saying anything 438 00:21:41,370 --> 00:21:38,270 and it's a little too much too long you 439 00:21:45,580 --> 00:21:41,380 know put them off that's that I love 440 00:21:47,650 --> 00:21:45,590 what's the third reason so it is to 441 00:21:49,810 --> 00:21:47,660 guide people in its yeah and then it's 442 00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:49,820 to you know clarify I don't understand 443 00:22:02,140 --> 00:21:56,799 or I disagree or whatever a real kind of 444 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:02,150 interjection so that's and that's enough 445 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:05,210 a conversation will come out of that 446 00:22:11,140 --> 00:22:07,250 obviously the guest has the word much 447 00:22:12,909 --> 00:22:11,150 more than the host but and you'll notice 448 00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,919 all one other thing those who have 449 00:22:17,260 --> 00:22:14,480 listened to almost everything sometimes 450 00:22:19,539 --> 00:22:17,270 we do traditional interviews if you hear 451 00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:19,549 me shut up a lot that's probably because 452 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:21,559 I don't know that much about this or 453 00:22:25,539 --> 00:22:23,090 feel I don't know that much about the 454 00:22:26,980 --> 00:22:25,549 subject so I better just shut up don't 455 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:26,990 talk unless you have something to say 456 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:30,410 well that's that's nice you know I 457 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:34,720 really resonate with as what you said is 458 00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,950 your your interruption is driven by 459 00:22:43,150 --> 00:22:41,120 engagement the way that I can tell it 460 00:22:44,890 --> 00:22:43,160 because I think the whole interruption 461 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:44,900 thing I don't get when people say don't 462 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:46,790 interrupt I mean it's like like you said 463 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:49,490 it's a conversation it's two-way but 464 00:22:56,590 --> 00:22:51,770 what I particularly like about what you 465 00:23:00,909 --> 00:22:56,600 do is you do you're willing to go there 466 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:00,919 and risk that interruption risk that 467 00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:03,410 kind of break of this oh we're all 468 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:04,940 friends I have to be totally 469 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:06,530 complimentary and agree with everything 470 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:08,210 you say cuz that's not real either 471 00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:10,610 that's not only real conversations 472 00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:12,470 happen but I love when you bring 473 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:14,080 insights 474 00:23:20,430 --> 00:23:17,289 to the guests that the guests maybe 475 00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,440 hadn't seen before in yeah you know the 476 00:23:25,019 --> 00:23:22,240 example we might get to in this show if 477 00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,029 we get around to it if we can spend 478 00:23:28,889 --> 00:23:27,039 enough time talking but yeah your 479 00:23:30,779 --> 00:23:28,899 interview with Joseph Ferrell and I 480 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:30,789 listen to it and I was just blown away 481 00:23:38,610 --> 00:23:34,840 by a couple of the insights that you had 482 00:23:40,409 --> 00:23:38,620 that you could see Ferrell who is genius 483 00:23:42,539 --> 00:23:40,419 everyone has a lot of respect for Joseph 484 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:42,549 Ferrell but it set him on his heels a 485 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:45,640 little bit like wow I I hadn't really 486 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:48,010 thought of that and to me that's a 487 00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:50,200 special moment in the show as a listener 488 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:52,990 because now I feel like there's been an 489 00:23:58,139 --> 00:23:56,110 engagement that I'm a part of just like 490 00:24:01,680 --> 00:23:58,149 you said that conversation I was there 491 00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:01,690 for that minute when you said that so I 492 00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:04,990 always liked that and I think also you 493 00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:07,960 know like you alluded to where you sit 494 00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:11,500 is a special place the number of people 495 00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:15,460 you talk to the preparation that you've 496 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:17,350 done to talk to those people the 497 00:24:22,379 --> 00:24:19,210 follow-up that you've done to talk to 498 00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:22,389 those people you are a wealth of 499 00:24:30,210 --> 00:24:26,080 information at this point that I want to 500 00:24:33,149 --> 00:24:30,220 hear on your show so yeah I do kind of 501 00:24:34,889 --> 00:24:33,159 like that and I want to then less I'm 502 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:34,899 patting him on the back I wanted to add 503 00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:36,970 to it and tell you a couple other things 504 00:24:41,940 --> 00:24:39,460 I really appreciate about what you do 505 00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:41,950 and I think is somewhat unique not 506 00:24:52,919 --> 00:24:45,700 totally unique but unique enough one is 507 00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:52,929 this what I call unsilent a silo so you 508 00:24:59,310 --> 00:24:56,320 were you can switch and fluidly move 509 00:25:01,710 --> 00:24:59,320 from talking about UFOs to talking about 510 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:01,720 consciousness to talk about politics to 511 00:25:07,470 --> 00:25:04,809 talking about religion why wouldn't you 512 00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:07,480 as always my thing why do I have guests 513 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:10,980 even people that are just purely I 514 00:25:14,850 --> 00:25:13,690 respect and everyone is interviewing and 515 00:25:18,090 --> 00:25:14,860 everyone likes them and they have all 516 00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:18,100 their books and now I asked him about et 517 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:19,960 consciousness they're all into 518 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:21,370 consciousness you know when they're all 519 00:25:24,779 --> 00:25:22,809 into this and now you talk about et 520 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:24,789 consciousness and they're like well I I 521 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:27,010 don't know I don't have any opinion I've 522 00:25:30,370 --> 00:25:27,290 never 523 00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,380 look how how do you not have an opinion 524 00:25:35,860 --> 00:25:32,720 I met how have you put yourself in that 525 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:35,870 silo and the other the two other things 526 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:37,250 I'll just point out and then I'll just 527 00:25:42,270 --> 00:25:39,110 get your feedback on what you think is 528 00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:42,280 important is you take extraordinarily 529 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:46,070 deep dives into this topic you it's 530 00:25:50,350 --> 00:25:48,050 topics that you cover you're willing to 531 00:25:52,540 --> 00:25:50,360 spend like we said five six hours with 532 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:52,550 people broken up over a series of 533 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:55,130 interviews and I think I know because 534 00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,010 we've talked in the past you've really 535 00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:01,120 kind of broken through to a new 536 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:03,470 potential there that a lot of people 537 00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:05,810 didn't see because conventional wisdom 538 00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:08,120 was oh you can't talk that long to 539 00:26:12,340 --> 00:26:10,070 someone no one will listen you know and 540 00:26:14,830 --> 00:26:12,350 you've shown just the opposite you've 541 00:26:17,230 --> 00:26:14,840 shown that people really do want that 542 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:17,240 depth a lot of times at least the people 543 00:26:21,390 --> 00:26:19,970 we're talking to so what do you think 544 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:21,400 about those things 545 00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:24,410 the last thing I'm not sure I agree 546 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:27,440 actually if I had and I hope but we will 547 00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:29,570 disagree a lot because we would really 548 00:26:34,330 --> 00:26:32,630 disagree too little we know that so we 549 00:26:38,890 --> 00:26:34,340 try to find some disagreements today 550 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:38,900 this no it's it's just an effect of the 551 00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:41,570 internet man I could have like a show 552 00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:46,790 about baking raw cookies and there would 553 00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:49,910 be a lot of people but who would tune in 554 00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:51,470 because you have the whole world as a 555 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:55,070 potential whatever weird thing you have 556 00:26:58,990 --> 00:26:57,410 you can if you can reach them you know 557 00:27:01,330 --> 00:26:59,000 but that basic marketing you know that 558 00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:01,340 there's always going to be an audience 559 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:04,910 for something a segment niche audience 560 00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:07,490 for something if I had babies and cats 561 00:27:14,650 --> 00:27:11,030 or makeup it would be ten times the 562 00:27:17,710 --> 00:27:14,660 numbers I'm not pleased with my numbers 563 00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:17,720 after I realized you know I was very 564 00:27:21,550 --> 00:27:19,070 early on I was shocked 565 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:21,560 actually that is took off and it was 566 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:24,740 just at the end before they screwed up 567 00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:26,690 and manipulated the YouTube algorithm 568 00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:28,280 today good luck 569 00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:30,230 breaking through at YouTube it's 570 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:33,350 completely manipulated but I was at the 571 00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:36,710 end of the freedom where you could you 572 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:39,900 know accumulate people if you let 573 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:44,820 if you you know if it had the life of 574 00:27:52,990 --> 00:27:49,590 right right of life so that happened and 575 00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,000 enough for the world to be spread but 576 00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:56,640 then I realized what's possible and who 577 00:28:02,750 --> 00:27:59,460 really gets the numbers and then I came 578 00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:02,760 back to earth because you know two 579 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:06,870 little babies and cats so I think there 580 00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:12,480 is an audience for these topics it's a 581 00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:15,500 challenge to find them I have not been 582 00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:20,070 mining in where you have in the podcast 583 00:28:25,790 --> 00:28:23,460 world and you haven't been mining that 584 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:25,800 much in in the YouTube world and I saw 585 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:29,490 the platform's too so the plan is to 586 00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:32,730 reach out in more platforms onwards do - 587 00:28:41,540 --> 00:28:35,870 maybe we'll talk about that but the 588 00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:41,550 YouTube gate yeah I think what no I 589 00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:43,920 think we I think we handled that I'll 590 00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:47,700 tell you what let's go on to talking 591 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:51,480 about consciousness and talking about 592 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,890 Bob or the work yes 593 00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:55,200 can I say one more thing of course about 594 00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,410 the time because I hope you're gonna do 595 00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:00,240 a forum borealis in to you today because 596 00:29:05,180 --> 00:29:02,310 you've been you have you have very 597 00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:05,190 impressive preparations I wish I could 598 00:29:11,270 --> 00:29:09,120 serve my guests you if you do this with 599 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:11,280 everyone I don't know if you just me but 600 00:29:15,770 --> 00:29:12,930 if you've done this with everyone man 601 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:15,780 it's it's a really easy to be a guest on 602 00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:16,410 your show 603 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:21,120 so but you're gonna you wanna you want 604 00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:23,610 us to bite over a lot of stuff today so 605 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:26,100 I hope you're gonna do a forum in depth 606 00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:28,530 otherwise we we can't crawl those bases 607 00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:30,360 and you were saying that and I want to 608 00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,990 comment upon that that too is just well 609 00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:36,240 no that was deliberate I did want to 610 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:38,100 talk a lot because I remember Joseph 611 00:29:44,780 --> 00:29:43,290 Ferrell he had many many into use on 612 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:44,790 something called bites show which was 613 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:47,370 kind of a 614 00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:52,060 loke just very unpretentious thing where 615 00:29:59,340 --> 00:29:55,140 the host she rest in peace 616 00:30:03,330 --> 00:29:59,350 Konev just gave him an open mic and they 617 00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:03,340 went for hours upon hours and she never 618 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:09,550 interrupted either almost and I realized 619 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:17,410 in depth its was doing it for me so you 620 00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:19,690 know when I just started I didn't have a 621 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:22,840 podcast kind of I wasn't gonna be in 622 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:25,150 building umpire become a big voice out 623 00:30:30,810 --> 00:30:28,090 there so what did I care you know put on 624 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:30,820 them my can we talk as long as possible 625 00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,110 didn't have to think about anything 626 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:34,960 right except the conversation and that's 627 00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:38,170 just become trademark continue doing 628 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:40,900 that it would be very boring to make one 629 00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:43,690 other shows on display or shorter shows 630 00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:46,870 or one or one and a half hour because 631 00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,720 that's how much you could squeeze those 632 00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:51,600 who are not used to long into use for 633 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:55,120 them that will be along interior like 634 00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:56,890 even if the reason I haven't had shell 635 00:31:08,010 --> 00:31:01,840 wreck Anya it's because his handler said 636 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:08,020 he only did 3/4 that's too short that's 637 00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:15,070 very old school so no you can't what can 638 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:16,720 you do even with two hours you can't 639 00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:18,970 really go that deep and when we're 640 00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:21,100 comparing with books who go even deeper 641 00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:24,430 you know I think even my shows are 642 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,000 superficial compared to the level that's 643 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:31,600 desirable ought to be there for people 644 00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:34,930 really to get it and despite that you 645 00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,560 still find people you know demanding the 646 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:40,960 weirdest things like oh you didn't cover 647 00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:44,080 this detail of the story well read a 648 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:49,390 book you know how much can be anyway go 649 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,340 on well I'm gonna go on but I love what 650 00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:56,320 you said I mean I think that ties back 651 00:32:00,450 --> 00:31:58,930 to what we were talking about before so 652 00:32:04,110 --> 00:32:00,460 I want to approach 653 00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:04,120 these three interviews and we are I'm 654 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:05,350 gonna have to own the fact that we're 655 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:06,970 not going to cover them as completely as 656 00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:10,690 I'd like to as they deserve but maybe we 657 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:12,190 can give folks a little bit of an 658 00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:15,130 overview an entry point for how they 659 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:17,830 would dive into foreign borealis style 660 00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:22,450 stuff and I came to this idea of really 661 00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:26,020 looking at the why question so like the 662 00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,390 first interview we're going to talk 663 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:31,440 about is the airlander interview and 664 00:32:38,030 --> 00:32:33,850 it's an interview about consciousness 665 00:32:42,270 --> 00:32:38,040 obviously it's an interview about a very 666 00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:42,280 famous if you will researcher who's now 667 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:46,030 88 years old who has done that just 668 00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:48,130 reincarnation researcher today when 669 00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:51,070 after Orion Steven Stevenson passed away 670 00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:54,280 he's - he's the man he's kind of the guy 671 00:33:02,910 --> 00:32:56,590 and then there's a lot to talk about in 672 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:02,920 terms of let me pull up that screen so 673 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:05,110 what you want to meet so so there's two 674 00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:06,850 points of that I mean one I want to play 675 00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:09,460 a clip in a minute from this interview 676 00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:11,080 but the other thing that I wanted to 677 00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:16,840 talk about is you know why why do we why 678 00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:20,350 do we care about consciousness how do 679 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:22,600 you come to consciousness because like 680 00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:23,620 we said I think it's kind of an 681 00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:25,990 interesting story how you came to it 682 00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:29,620 from one angle and I came to it from 683 00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:31,870 another angle I came to it from just 684 00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:34,510 saying okay who are we why are we here 685 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:35,980 let's go talk to some really smart 686 00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:38,530 people and immediately we run into this 687 00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:40,060 thing called consciousness and then you 688 00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:43,180 run into the outlying anomalous stuff 689 00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:45,820 and boom there you are nd ease past life 690 00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:47,320 regression all the rest of this stuff I 691 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:49,300 feel like you came about it kind of from 692 00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:50,290 a different angle 693 00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:53,110 but then why do you think it's so 694 00:33:58,260 --> 00:33:56,470 important why is harrelson on your show 695 00:34:01,410 --> 00:33:58,270 why are you doing these deep dives 696 00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:01,420 series of shows on this I think it's an 697 00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:05,680 important question that reveals part of 698 00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:08,590 what's really going on in your thought 699 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:10,270 process in terms of what you've figured 700 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:12,530 out here 701 00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:17,399 right right well I've been hunting 702 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:19,350 consciousness since I was 16 years old 703 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:23,850 so for me it wasn't coming to it it was 704 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:25,609 finding a way to putting it out there 705 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:28,200 I've started with anything but 706 00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:31,080 consciousness but we've but I always 707 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:33,480 intended to have a bunch of esoteric 708 00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,290 shows that's really the main passion but 709 00:34:42,020 --> 00:34:40,200 I wanted to prepare the ground and I 710 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:42,030 wanted to explore phenomenons that are 711 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:45,929 related as you point out or maybe or and 712 00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:49,530 also you know I have to be honest some 713 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:52,790 topics or populism deliberate populism 714 00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:56,250 like like say the Antarctica show I'm 715 00:35:03,920 --> 00:34:58,410 coming back to that because it's so 716 00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:03,930 popular it's a basic it cook you know it 717 00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:05,990 can be a trivial mystery but it has 718 00:35:12,490 --> 00:35:09,150 aspects of connecting into almost 719 00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:12,500 anything and I'm doing a show like that 720 00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:16,350 totally too because if I'm going to 721 00:35:27,980 --> 00:35:20,520 flirt with phenomenons that's a fun 722 00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:27,990 phenomenon but and then to attract more 723 00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:30,420 listeners and then see if there's you 724 00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:33,780 know how many of them can and you're 725 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:37,320 listening to let's say this Shopify that 726 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:40,500 I didn't talk takasho with he also has 727 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:43,890 that's kind of spiritual side and we 728 00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,810 were discussing back and forth you know 729 00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:48,060 how many percentages of the people 730 00:35:51,590 --> 00:35:49,590 listening to the Antarctic as you will 731 00:35:54,020 --> 00:35:51,600 bother to listen to all show about death 732 00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:54,030 but we have a rink I know I don't know 733 00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:55,710 did you listen to that I did with him on 734 00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,240 reincarnation listen to I listened to 735 00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:02,460 one or two of them I can't remember I 736 00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:03,990 think I almost I'm almost sure we did 737 00:36:09,830 --> 00:36:06,840 because he talked about how that's kind 738 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:09,840 of required training for a lot of monks 739 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,910 in the East right the first thing is 740 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:13,680 death yeah I remember that as they go 741 00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:15,450 and look yeah but he may have said that 742 00:36:21,130 --> 00:36:17,400 in the kanji did a one on consciousness 743 00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:21,140 okay I think that's been 744 00:36:27,130 --> 00:36:22,820 but then we did a pure one on 745 00:36:29,350 --> 00:36:27,140 reincarnation me and cliff and the 746 00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:29,360 numbers only part 1 of the consciousness 747 00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:32,830 is out and that's like 1/10 interest 748 00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,310 compared to and that's AI and 749 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:38,720 transhumanism ought to be a little 750 00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:40,850 popular right it's not that exotic it's 751 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:44,870 a reality and then we did it's not out 752 00:36:49,330 --> 00:36:47,690 yet one on reincarnation and death and 753 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:49,340 that's you know it's probably going to 754 00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,050 be one tenth of the consciousness show 755 00:36:55,450 --> 00:36:52,640 because we're going deeper and deeper 756 00:36:57,820 --> 00:36:55,460 and he says the deep blue people on the 757 00:36:59,710 --> 00:36:57,830 interested in that that many people it's 758 00:37:01,480 --> 00:36:59,720 like a percentage all the way and so we 759 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:01,490 have to balance that for the topics we 760 00:37:07,930 --> 00:37:05,210 use I don't write conspiracy as a topic 761 00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:07,940 we do cuz conspiracy may be there on all 762 00:37:12,580 --> 00:37:10,070 of the topics or any of the topics I 763 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:12,590 write what they actually are which is 764 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:23,690 history politics philosophy culture and 765 00:37:29,230 --> 00:37:27,530 one more thing I forgot so you can you 766 00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,240 can see the lid but we do different 767 00:37:34,810 --> 00:37:32,000 stuff like that what does it say one 768 00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:34,820 more thing about that yeah I Lander so I 769 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:39,400 wanted to start with him because he's 770 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:44,330 you know he's he's an eldest 771 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:47,090 yeah but he's coming from science this 772 00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:50,570 isn't new at all it's the scientific 773 00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,030 method trying to explore something which 774 00:38:00,120 --> 00:37:55,280 is very hard for science to to measure 775 00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:00,130 and when he has established the 776 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:04,280 overwhelming evidence you know where it 777 00:38:08,890 --> 00:38:06,170 points then it's easier to do like a 778 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:08,900 more purely speculative or philosophical 779 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:11,090 spiritual show with someone like for 780 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:14,210 instance Claire Foy I have very many 781 00:38:20,050 --> 00:38:17,020 great people lined up next year will be 782 00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:20,060 galore for spirituality and 783 00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:23,780 consciousness but none some more 784 00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:25,640 politics we started that too we have to 785 00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:28,780 always keep born you know for 10 786 00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,740 immediate absolutable reality you know 787 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:34,160 absolutely and 788 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:36,170 this is kind of backtracking way back to 789 00:38:40,030 --> 00:38:38,090 the beginning of the show what I like 790 00:38:41,470 --> 00:38:40,040 about the show it's like you know what 791 00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:41,480 people say don't talk about politics and 792 00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,640 don't talk about religion the opposite 793 00:38:47,140 --> 00:38:45,440 always talk about politics I always talk 794 00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:47,150 about religion because they reveal two 795 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:49,550 things one is they're not real we can 796 00:38:54,010 --> 00:38:52,010 talk about politics all we want because 797 00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:54,020 it's not real it's a social construct 798 00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:57,040 and even in that sense it's it's an 799 00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,560 clearly at this point it's a charade if 800 00:39:04,030 --> 00:39:02,240 you don't get that if you really think 801 00:39:05,830 --> 00:39:04,040 they're in the United States there is 802 00:39:07,630 --> 00:39:05,840 such a thing as a Democratic Party and 803 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:07,640 Republican Party well then you're not 804 00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:10,970 really bought your ticket to enter this 805 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:12,590 conversation you're on the outside 806 00:39:16,060 --> 00:39:14,090 looking in and there's not much we can 807 00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:16,070 do for you same with religion you know 808 00:39:21,370 --> 00:39:18,830 and unfortunately I continue to return 809 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:21,380 to those topics because I don't think we 810 00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:23,510 can really talk about extended 811 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:25,640 consciousness and try and really get a 812 00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:27,410 full picture until we talk about 813 00:39:32,290 --> 00:39:29,270 religion and we talk about our 814 00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:32,300 susceptibility to cults to being tricked 815 00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:35,240 being fooled to being controlled so of 816 00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:36,920 course we want to talk about religion 817 00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:38,990 and in your case of course we want to 818 00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:41,900 talk about politics and it just we have 819 00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:43,460 to but we have to talk about it in the 820 00:39:49,110 --> 00:39:45,590 way that we're not talking about it 821 00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:49,120 because it's not real but here's where 822 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:51,500 since you brought it up I'd like to 823 00:39:56,830 --> 00:39:54,410 broaden this discussion about airlander 824 00:39:59,140 --> 00:39:56,840 in a couple of ways and and really 825 00:40:01,060 --> 00:39:59,150 without even getting into the interview 826 00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,070 per se I was going to play a clip from 827 00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:02,960 the interview but I have to alert people 828 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:04,910 when you listen to the show you did a 829 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:08,090 fantastic job of guiding the guy through 830 00:40:14,290 --> 00:40:10,930 the interview but he's he's an older guy 831 00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:14,300 yeah it's a challenge isn't that super 832 00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:16,910 fluid in his talk and and you do a nice 833 00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:18,470 job of bringing him along and stuff but 834 00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:19,820 it's kind of a little bit harder to 835 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:22,100 listen to than many of your other shows 836 00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,610 but to things that they're kind of like 837 00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:27,680 you and I can talk about and have an 838 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:30,230 interesting time talking about that I 839 00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:31,490 thought would be fun 840 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:35,000 what is this idea of the Elder and and 841 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:37,850 the the person who holds the knowledge 842 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:41,210 and I see two sides of that I see but 843 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:42,950 you know a great side of that that we 844 00:40:47,859 --> 00:40:46,370 should respect and we should say that 845 00:40:51,150 --> 00:40:47,869 there's something 846 00:40:54,249 --> 00:40:51,160 that comes from writing books and 847 00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:54,259 writing articles hundred peer-reviewed 848 00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,230 journal articles that is more than that 849 00:41:01,900 --> 00:40:59,599 and that is the experience that that guy 850 00:41:04,539 --> 00:41:01,910 had I mean we can sit here and talk 851 00:41:07,269 --> 00:41:04,549 about conspiracies in [\h__\h] and myth 852 00:41:10,349 --> 00:41:07,279 the progress this guys lived it man he 853 00:41:13,569 --> 00:41:10,359 was there in the frontlines of academia 854 00:41:16,089 --> 00:41:13,579 being jacked around and paradigm 855 00:41:19,569 --> 00:41:16,099 shifting he lived that and he's a living 856 00:41:23,499 --> 00:41:19,579 testament to that but the other side of 857 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:23,509 that that we can get your opinion on is 858 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:27,430 I think a lot of us have a sense of 859 00:41:33,609 --> 00:41:30,609 elders maybe not 860 00:41:36,339 --> 00:41:33,619 carrying the knowledge that they should 861 00:41:38,589 --> 00:41:36,349 forward and that in this day of the 862 00:41:40,779 --> 00:41:38,599 internet we have access to so much 863 00:41:43,539 --> 00:41:40,789 information that a lot of times I'm 864 00:41:46,359 --> 00:41:43,549 going to hear people like haraldson we 865 00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:46,369 go well you know that's nice I can go 866 00:41:51,849 --> 00:41:49,369 search and find ten different studies on 867 00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,859 past lives and children and ten 868 00:41:58,359 --> 00:41:54,079 different interviews and I can compare 869 00:42:02,430 --> 00:41:58,369 and contrast and your value as an elder 870 00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:02,440 is maybe not what it used to be in 871 00:42:10,809 --> 00:42:06,940 cultures where that knowledge was more 872 00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:10,819 centralized in a few people so I've kind 873 00:42:14,789 --> 00:42:12,470 of laid a lot on the table there but 874 00:42:17,529 --> 00:42:14,799 what do you think about this idea of 875 00:42:20,259 --> 00:42:17,539 elders in and how they hold knowledge 876 00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:20,269 and share knowledge in our modern 877 00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:23,630 culture no I am 878 00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:26,630 I appreciate the role of the elder I 879 00:42:35,499 --> 00:42:30,079 don't think that role is very prevalent 880 00:42:36,999 --> 00:42:35,509 in today's society you know the 881 00:42:41,229 --> 00:42:37,009 corporations are taking over the 882 00:42:43,650 --> 00:42:41,239 propaganda outlets the wisdom of the 883 00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:43,660 elder that's an archetype III do have 884 00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:48,540 elders I relate to in my life 885 00:42:59,480 --> 00:42:52,790 in terms of mentors maybe I could say or 886 00:43:02,750 --> 00:42:59,490 guides so I'm totally on board with you 887 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:02,760 cut haraldson a lot of slack in that not 888 00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,770 to I'll be really blunt you cut him a 889 00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:06,240 lot of slack and part of that was 890 00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,590 because he is an elder both in age but I 891 00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:12,480 think it was also out of respect for 892 00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,790 what he's done he's accomplished and 893 00:43:19,580 --> 00:43:17,220 that's okay I don't have a problem with 894 00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,590 that but I think it's worth discussing 895 00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:22,020 that and I think like a little thing 896 00:43:26,660 --> 00:43:24,540 with with Harrelson that she didn't call 897 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:26,670 him on that I think he should be called 898 00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,410 on is here's this guy has all this 899 00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:30,240 knowledge all this experience and he 900 00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:34,740 goes and he gets I think my read of it 901 00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:37,590 he gets tricked by Sai Baba right so Sai 902 00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:40,859 Baba is this Indian guru now passed away 903 00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:44,240 who has caught on YouTube just doing 904 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:49,830 stage magic so to those videos they were 905 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:51,810 first of all of them are very bad 906 00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:56,010 quality and I wasn't that enlightened 907 00:44:00,520 --> 00:43:58,290 afterwards I thought before interviewed 908 00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:00,530 him that Sai Baba was this big 909 00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,480 pedophilia swindler who's been debunked 910 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,520 once and for all that was my going to 911 00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:08,640 position then he said the and you know 912 00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:11,460 he was very impressed he had followed 913 00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:14,310 Bob around he and his team for weeks I 914 00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:16,619 haven't done that I wasn't there so 915 00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:20,940 Baba's dead so a little humility is okay 916 00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:24,660 in terms of that I can I don't know that 917 00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:27,780 Sai Baba is a quack so I can't insist on 918 00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,660 that but I did suspect it then I tried 919 00:44:36,859 --> 00:44:32,460 to research I know you wanted me to 920 00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:36,869 discuss Sababa with him I wasn't that 921 00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:40,260 interested actually but I did that and I 922 00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,430 was kind of surprised because he had 923 00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:46,560 that position and and before the show I 924 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:48,300 think it was or was it after either 925 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:50,490 before or after I checked outside Baba 926 00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:52,650 and I couldn't find I wanted to find 927 00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,480 these obvious tricks that he had done 928 00:45:01,800 --> 00:44:59,220 but I didn't find anything that really 929 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:01,810 settled the matter either way 930 00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:04,210 but I'm immediately skeptic if a 931 00:45:08,370 --> 00:45:05,800 so-called spiritual person is starting 932 00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,380 to make miracles like wushu I regard him 933 00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:11,440 as a big swindler who did what Crowley 934 00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:14,740 did he took stuff that's already out 935 00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:17,350 there and he amel gated it and put his 936 00:45:22,350 --> 00:45:19,870 own spin on it which you know if you 937 00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,360 read something you which is bright it's 938 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:24,880 either from Pythagoras or from Girja for 939 00:45:31,850 --> 00:45:27,850 from Buddha from you know one of these 940 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:31,860 greats and if you find something that's 941 00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:37,570 fishy it's usually from him so uh I pick 942 00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,190 on wushu all day long if you like but 943 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:40,960 when it comes to sabab but he never 944 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:43,210 interested me I thought he looked 945 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:48,490 disgusting quite honestly and but when I 946 00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:50,290 looked into it it seems that the 947 00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:53,110 movement he's created and you know 948 00:45:58,500 --> 00:45:54,820 there's some good stuff there they do a 949 00:46:00,180 --> 00:45:58,510 lot of charity and you know people get 950 00:46:02,190 --> 00:46:00,190 something out of it I know but he's dead 951 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:02,200 right but at least he created something 952 00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:05,170 that has some value at some level I'll 953 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:05,830 give him that 954 00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:12,130 now her Allender didn't you know just 955 00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:15,640 blank defend him but he said that it was 956 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:19,510 on he believed used to word on unsettled 957 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:23,410 case something like that but that was an 958 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:24,850 interesting part the interesting part 959 00:46:29,580 --> 00:46:27,850 was his research into death which he's 960 00:46:32,570 --> 00:46:29,590 done in different ways under the 961 00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,580 reincarnation thing there was one huge 962 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:35,200 important question that I regret I never 963 00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:38,650 asked him but otherwise I think I got to 964 00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:41,260 ask the most important question in terms 965 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:45,040 of relating to you know for instance you 966 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:47,290 know stuff that I wonder about what 967 00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:49,450 about gender are we coming back as the 968 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:52,780 same gender or we you know how long time 969 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:54,970 does this take because I want to compare 970 00:46:59,370 --> 00:46:56,890 it also to the law that's already out 971 00:47:02,790 --> 00:46:59,380 there near-death experience isn't a new 972 00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:02,800 thing you have huge traditions for this 973 00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:05,740 in spirituality and esoterica there's 974 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:07,390 even instruction manuals like the 975 00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,370 Tibetan Book of the Dead the Egyptian 976 00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:12,160 Book of the death the aleutian book of 977 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:15,260 the death much of 978 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:18,890 knowledge of our ancestors harmonized 979 00:47:26,350 --> 00:47:23,210 with what the scientists found out and 980 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:26,360 so maybe not and that's what interesting 981 00:47:29,890 --> 00:47:28,130 to find out you know if you've been 982 00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:29,900 studying death if you've been working 983 00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:33,710 with death like I have then it's 984 00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:36,790 interesting to to talk with someone a 985 00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:39,380 pioneer in the research field who has 986 00:47:42,850 --> 00:47:41,000 looked into and I was surprised that he 987 00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:42,860 he had an answer for all this stuff he 988 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:46,220 had talked about it he had gone there 989 00:47:52,210 --> 00:47:48,410 and try to find these patterns which are 990 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:52,220 so important but yeah I I you know it's 991 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:54,170 a hearing thing it's a language thing 992 00:48:02,260 --> 00:47:57,170 it's the talk about interviewing a chap 993 00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:02,270 like the good doctor if you're not 100% 994 00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:04,870 present how can you get a flow of 995 00:48:09,010 --> 00:48:07,160 conversation so that was more 996 00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:09,020 traditional into you actually what I did 997 00:48:20,740 --> 00:48:13,310 with him see my problem with the saibaba 998 00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:20,750 stuff I mean it speaks to process and 999 00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:26,510 method right so if you're careful about 1000 00:48:33,490 --> 00:48:29,990 your process and your deliberate about 1001 00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:33,500 your method then you don't get fooled 1002 00:48:39,550 --> 00:48:36,950 and so again we can leave it as an open 1003 00:48:42,850 --> 00:48:39,560 question as to whether or not Sai Baba 1004 00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,860 was legit but that he doesn't pass the 1005 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:44,960 smell test right from the beginning you 1006 00:48:49,330 --> 00:48:46,970 just look at the guy and you look at his 1007 00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:49,340 claims and they just line up with all 1008 00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:51,500 the other frauds you know like Oh show 1009 00:48:56,410 --> 00:48:53,180 you know one of the biggest ones that I 1010 00:48:58,090 --> 00:48:56,420 always point out and I credit my friend 1011 00:49:01,060 --> 00:48:58,100 Rick Archer it but if the gas pump for 1012 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:01,070 getting away from this cult and that's 1013 00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:04,610 the the whole Lamar Oishi yogi the guy 1014 00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:07,310 who started the whole TM thing I mean 1015 00:49:09,610 --> 00:49:08,750 yeah he's debunked anyway isn't it 1016 00:49:14,110 --> 00:49:09,620 what's that 1017 00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:14,120 he is debunked he should be he should be 1018 00:49:19,810 --> 00:49:17,030 but Marrakech University still goes on 1019 00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:19,820 on Iowa all his followers don't want to 1020 00:49:25,330 --> 00:49:21,980 listen to the people who were there who 1021 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:25,340 says the nature of sex I mean no matter 1022 00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:28,290 how stupid I said it's never the Russian 1023 00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:30,300 or the believability of a sack that 1024 00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:31,980 determines whether it survives or not 1025 00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,660 that is interesting you mentioned 1026 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:35,040 because we're gonna have something that 1027 00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:36,930 may people maybe thought we never do 1028 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:39,480 we're gonna have a serious about cults 1029 00:49:45,650 --> 00:49:43,290 and sects absolutely let's go there a 1030 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:45,660 little bit give me the give me the high 1031 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:48,930 points talking points on that because I 1032 00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:51,930 think it's an absolutely critical 1033 00:49:59,960 --> 00:49:55,500 critical topic to talk about and again 1034 00:50:01,460 --> 00:49:59,970 to me it's seems like the more I think 1035 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:01,470 about it and look at it and talk to 1036 00:50:08,420 --> 00:50:03,650 people it looks much more like a 1037 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:08,430 continuum than a clean break I mean how 1038 00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:11,370 are the religious traditions that are 1039 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:14,220 played out in society but just 1040 00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,370 completely different from cults they're 1041 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:18,960 not they're different you know in 1042 00:50:25,070 --> 00:50:20,850 certain ways but they're both tapping 1043 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:25,080 into the same human need the same human 1044 00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:27,810 frailties that we have are our desire 1045 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:31,280 for community our desire for meaning 1046 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:33,570 they're they've just learned how to push 1047 00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:35,610 the buttons and they're willing to push 1048 00:50:40,070 --> 00:50:37,350 them a little bit more when you get to a 1049 00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:40,080 cult at least that's my take where where 1050 00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:41,880 do you see that whole investigation 1051 00:50:49,550 --> 00:50:45,540 going from your standpoint well actually 1052 00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:49,560 I think if people study curved some 1053 00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:52,470 sects and I understand what's going on 1054 00:50:58,550 --> 00:50:55,910 there that can make them more immune 1055 00:51:02,540 --> 00:50:58,560 against the biggest sect in the world 1056 00:51:06,260 --> 00:51:02,550 called society cause we are we're just 1057 00:51:10,510 --> 00:51:06,270 our sight ghosts you know living today 1058 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:10,520 here is being a part of a huge cult and 1059 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:14,610 if you come from 50 years from now or 50 1060 00:51:19,730 --> 00:51:17,010 years behind from now you know from the 1061 00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:19,740 past of the future you'll see that 1062 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:23,070 you're in a psychosis but any time and 1063 00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:26,850 any culture has their own psychosis 1064 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:29,640 their own sect their own and in 1065 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:33,210 esoterica there's always been gold to be 1066 00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:37,770 timeless you know try to step out of 1067 00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:41,200 time and space and the best 1068 00:51:51,820 --> 00:51:46,430 spiritual material in the world is that 1069 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:51,830 which is as little tainted by the 1070 00:51:57,490 --> 00:51:53,890 zeitgeist and by the culture and by the 1071 00:52:00,130 --> 00:51:57,500 time that it's produced in that's really 1072 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:00,140 usually what's being of what survives of 1073 00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:03,770 course stuff is being destroyed but the 1074 00:52:09,490 --> 00:52:06,440 more timeless it is the more it appeals 1075 00:52:12,670 --> 00:52:09,500 across time and space it can appeal to 1076 00:52:18,940 --> 00:52:12,680 different cultures easily and it can 1077 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:18,950 appeal to take a thing like Buddhism I'm 1078 00:52:24,130 --> 00:52:21,890 not a Buddhist but that's pretty 1079 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:24,140 timeless and can work in many different 1080 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:26,090 cultures if you take a thing like 1081 00:52:31,450 --> 00:52:29,330 American Christianity which is just a 1082 00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:31,460 hundred-year-old religion but it's what 1083 00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:33,260 most Americans thinks of when I hear 1084 00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:34,160 Christianity 1085 00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:36,110 it's a completely new invention has 1086 00:52:42,340 --> 00:52:39,560 nothing to do with history but that 1087 00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,350 doesn't work everywhere so the only way 1088 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:44,720 they can spread that is to destroy our 1089 00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,170 culture and turn it more like you know 1090 00:52:53,770 --> 00:52:50,720 the culture that American Christian 1091 00:53:00,540 --> 00:52:53,780 fundamentalism grew up in then they can 1092 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:00,550 for instance our materialist culture so 1093 00:53:07,450 --> 00:53:04,210 never underestimate culture that's 1094 00:53:08,530 --> 00:53:07,460 that's the filter that the group is 1095 00:53:11,470 --> 00:53:08,540 having and then you have the 1096 00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:11,480 individuality respect with a 1097 00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:14,860 consciousness level which is your own 1098 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:19,460 shades so we all use sunglasses to you 1099 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:23,450 know to perceive so I try to take on 1100 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:28,130 topics which do not idly at least I try 1101 00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,810 to reach the whole of the Western world 1102 00:53:36,130 --> 00:53:32,480 if not the entire globe should be able 1103 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:36,140 to relate to what we are dealing with in 1104 00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:39,170 our shows you know where I thought we'd 1105 00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:42,800 go next because we do have to kind of 1106 00:53:47,740 --> 00:53:45,500 just glance over these topics at the 1107 00:53:52,030 --> 00:53:47,750 high level but you want to talk about 1108 00:53:54,729 --> 00:53:52,040 your interview with Peter Levin des so 1109 00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:54,739 if we're going to talk Peter Levin 1110 00:53:59,859 --> 00:53:56,390 and we're gonna talk about this deep 1111 00:54:03,999 --> 00:53:59,869 dive that you did with him on UFO 1112 00:54:07,689 --> 00:54:04,009 disclosure on the event that happened at 1113 00:54:09,339 --> 00:54:07,699 the end of 2017 where they rolled out in 1114 00:54:13,029 --> 00:54:09,349 the New York Times we'll talk about who 1115 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:13,039 they are a full disclosure first time in 1116 00:54:18,609 --> 00:54:16,249 history that the government the United 1117 00:54:21,549 --> 00:54:18,619 States government mitts yes there are 1118 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:21,559 UFOs yes they have this advanced 1119 00:54:28,420 --> 00:54:24,650 technology yes we've been studying it 1120 00:54:33,789 --> 00:54:28,430 and then Peter lavinda along with Tom 1121 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:33,799 DeLonge blink-182 rocker turned UFO 1122 00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,890 whistleblower they come out with this 1123 00:54:42,489 --> 00:54:39,440 big thing hey everybody get on board and 1124 00:54:45,449 --> 00:54:42,499 know this and you did this interview and 1125 00:54:47,739 --> 00:54:45,459 like I say five hours at least with him 1126 00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:47,749 tell us why 1127 00:54:57,609 --> 00:54:52,910 first of all backing up why the UFO 1128 00:55:01,509 --> 00:54:57,619 topic is of interest to you why that 1129 00:55:04,209 --> 00:55:01,519 d'italia and I think is is obvious to me 1130 00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:04,219 but I want to make sure that listeners 1131 00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:06,529 understand because if they listen to it 1132 00:55:09,819 --> 00:55:07,670 interview one of the first things 1133 00:55:13,059 --> 00:55:09,829 they'll hear is both you and Peter 1134 00:55:16,299 --> 00:55:13,069 saying hey we're not really UFO guys and 1135 00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:16,309 I get that totally on one level but 1136 00:55:25,799 --> 00:55:20,329 explain to people your interest in that 1137 00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:25,809 topic my interest is is reluctant it's 1138 00:55:33,609 --> 00:55:30,529 against my will I don't really don't 1139 00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:33,619 want to do UFOs I was kind of interested 1140 00:55:40,809 --> 00:55:37,359 in in that when I was like 18 I was 1141 00:55:45,549 --> 00:55:40,819 sniffing at Paris I call a gym many 1142 00:55:48,939 --> 00:55:45,559 different weird stuff and I got bored by 1143 00:55:50,999 --> 00:55:48,949 UFOs I figured what does it really do 1144 00:55:53,709 --> 00:55:51,009 for me you know for my personal 1145 00:55:56,589 --> 00:55:53,719 development my growth it's not that 1146 00:55:59,769 --> 00:55:56,599 spiritually it was more materialists 1147 00:56:05,739 --> 00:55:59,779 angle of course back then so I didn't 1148 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:05,749 relate to UFOs for many many years then 1149 00:56:11,739 --> 00:56:08,450 there was a combination of different 1150 00:56:17,049 --> 00:56:11,749 things one of them was that I saw a 1151 00:56:21,819 --> 00:56:17,059 david cerritos evidence the case for 1152 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:21,829 nasa ufos narrated i think by this 1153 00:56:29,279 --> 00:56:24,170 comedian hollywood guy was called a 1154 00:56:32,650 --> 00:56:29,289 blues brother guy anyway so i saw that 1155 00:56:36,579 --> 00:56:32,660 my mind was blown because if this stuff 1156 00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:36,589 is up there out there what the [\h__\h] this 1157 00:56:48,219 --> 00:56:38,569 needs to be integrated into our reality 1158 00:56:50,410 --> 00:56:48,229 into a paradigm then you know different 1159 00:56:53,769 --> 00:56:50,420 intelligent sources about some 1160 00:56:57,969 --> 00:56:53,779 experiences why are we calling covering 1161 00:57:01,450 --> 00:56:57,979 UFOs because it's part of reality that's 1162 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:01,460 why i wish we didn't have to but if 1163 00:57:09,249 --> 00:57:03,410 you're going to cover reality we have to 1164 00:57:09,759 --> 00:57:09,259 it has its place in it i get most of 1165 00:57:12,609 --> 00:57:09,769 that 1166 00:57:14,229 --> 00:57:12,619 i wish we didn't have to I don't know 1167 00:57:17,650 --> 00:57:14,239 about that I think that's where it takes 1168 00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:17,660 us but let let's introduce people who is 1169 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:21,920 Peter Levin de why did you do this deep 1170 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:24,650 dive what were you getting at what does 1171 00:57:30,279 --> 00:57:27,170 the whole disclosure thing this latest 1172 00:57:34,269 --> 00:57:30,289 round of disclosure mean to you I've 1173 00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:34,279 labeled it a political sigh the vendee 1174 00:57:39,969 --> 00:57:37,249 is very very much against that you have 1175 00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:39,979 an interesting back-and-forth with that 1176 00:57:43,779 --> 00:57:42,079 in in the spirit of what we're talking 1177 00:57:46,569 --> 00:57:43,789 about in terms of you challenging people 1178 00:57:50,529 --> 00:57:46,579 you have a whole interview where you say 1179 00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,539 okay Peter I'm gonna hit you with all 1180 00:57:55,690 --> 00:57:52,640 the really tough questions and you do 1181 00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:55,700 you really hit him with some really hard 1182 00:57:59,769 --> 00:57:57,890 questions there as well so yeah but 1183 00:58:02,559 --> 00:57:59,779 those were questions that are new will 1184 00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:02,569 realtor and if I actually had him on I 1185 00:58:08,229 --> 00:58:04,329 want two people to get the chance to 1186 00:58:11,259 --> 00:58:08,239 hear you know his take on those things 1187 00:58:15,579 --> 00:58:11,269 because it's not something that you hear 1188 00:58:20,990 --> 00:58:15,589 otherwise right unless he addresses it 1189 00:58:24,839 --> 00:58:21,000 and and he did and I was ok with that 1190 00:58:28,109 --> 00:58:24,849 so you feel free to try to deconstruct 1191 00:58:31,830 --> 00:58:28,119 his answers and if I feel it's worthy 1192 00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:31,840 I'm gonna support defend it otherwise I 1193 00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:35,230 want you know I he says he's not married 1194 00:58:39,450 --> 00:58:37,150 to any of this I'm definitely not I just 1195 00:58:41,460 --> 00:58:39,460 want to get to the truth and by the way 1196 00:58:43,470 --> 00:58:41,470 when I say I don't wish I don't want to 1197 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:43,480 it's because of the nature of UFOs 1198 00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,690 UFOs is something that is so easy to be 1199 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:48,640 used against you know it's something 1200 00:58:53,550 --> 00:58:51,730 that here now gone there it's much 1201 00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:53,560 better where the like Richard Hoagland 1202 00:58:57,690 --> 00:58:55,990 says he says the reason I'm doing moon 1203 00:59:00,750 --> 00:58:57,700 structures and stuff like that is 1204 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:00,760 because it's not moving it's there so we 1205 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:06,250 can much easier unveil it relate to it 1206 00:59:11,310 --> 00:59:08,050 if it's something tangible if it's 1207 00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:11,320 something you know beyond our us most of 1208 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:14,830 them are probably technological and so 1209 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:17,170 it's a superb technologies like that 1210 00:59:27,329 --> 00:59:20,410 ants trying to relate to you know human 1211 00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:27,339 passing through their my body broad 1212 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:33,520 anthill so UFOs are very good to use to 1213 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:35,170 distract more than anything and the 1214 00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:37,330 spiritual aspect of them is of course 1215 00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,430 interesting you know the shamanic and 1216 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:41,680 astral aspect of them that's where it 1217 00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:43,810 ties into spirituality that's the 1218 00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,430 archetype of the thing is very 1219 00:59:49,950 --> 00:59:47,440 interesting usually but what if it's 1220 00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:49,960 more than the archetype that's where I 1221 00:59:55,859 --> 00:59:52,900 think everyone's kind of missing the 1222 00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:55,869 boat at this point and that's it if we 1223 01:00:01,079 --> 00:59:58,440 look at the technology angle which is 1224 01:00:03,690 --> 01:00:01,089 stunning mesmerizing 1225 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:03,700 travels at 7,000 miles an hour stops 1226 01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,490 makes a right turn gee we don't have 1227 01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:09,280 anything that works like that and then 1228 01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:12,160 Tom DeLonge comes in and says yeah guys 1229 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:14,140 but don't worry we're gonna figure it 1230 01:00:19,530 --> 01:00:16,690 out just give me some money for my new 1231 01:00:22,109 --> 01:00:19,540 startup and by the way we'll get free 1232 01:00:29,070 --> 01:00:22,119 energy out of it too and everyone's like 1233 01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,080 yay free energy no everyone is like yeah 1234 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:31,359 well but but here's the other part of 1235 01:00:37,660 --> 01:00:33,770 noise if it gets me it's like 1236 01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:37,670 wait a minute if they're that far along 1237 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:40,990 on that continuum the propulsion 1238 01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:45,490 continuum how far along are they on the 1239 01:00:52,330 --> 01:00:49,550 consciousness technology continuum right 1240 01:00:54,070 --> 01:00:52,340 because you know just the way you talked 1241 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:54,080 about it well there's this spiritual 1242 01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:56,810 part and there's the shock fillet part 1243 01:01:01,060 --> 01:00:59,090 and the Whitley Strieber part and all 1244 01:01:03,550 --> 01:01:01,070 these people which are most which are 1245 01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:03,560 much more interesting in a way what what 1246 01:01:08,650 --> 01:01:06,500 how what do you why are we creating a 1247 01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:08,660 dichotomy why are we saying one is one 1248 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:10,580 and one is the other what is the 1249 01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:12,890 immediate challenge for me aspect is 1250 01:01:17,490 --> 01:01:14,630 more interesting you know different it's 1251 01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:17,500 the same phenomenon well but we I'm 1252 01:01:25,980 --> 01:01:20,480 suggesting that we don't know that 1253 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:25,990 because if there if there is an enormous 1254 01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:29,810 upside to consciousness technology and 1255 01:01:35,590 --> 01:01:33,200 maybe upside isn't the right word but 1256 01:01:38,890 --> 01:01:35,600 maybe if there's an enormous potential 1257 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:38,900 to consciousness technology that a lot 1258 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:40,970 of the people in the AI kind of thing 1259 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:44,090 that I have kind of been less favorable 1260 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:47,210 of but if if there's a whole lot of 1261 01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:50,570 stuff we can do in that realm and if 1262 01:01:57,610 --> 01:01:54,110 when I say stuff so it appears that et 1263 01:02:00,220 --> 01:01:57,620 is able to one manipulate our 1264 01:02:02,770 --> 01:02:00,230 consciousness almost it will speak 1265 01:02:06,550 --> 01:02:02,780 telepathically erase our memories plant 1266 01:02:09,250 --> 01:02:06,560 memories cause us to do things cause us 1267 01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:09,260 to see things if all that's on the table 1268 01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:13,190 then and they've and they've created a 1269 01:02:19,540 --> 01:02:16,550 technology to do that now we're kind of 1270 01:02:22,570 --> 01:02:19,550 getting into the realm of starting to 1271 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:22,580 wonder where these lines become blurred 1272 01:02:30,070 --> 01:02:26,210 similarly if ET is in that space of the 1273 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:30,080 death right so if the ET starts creeping 1274 01:02:37,540 --> 01:02:34,090 into the end EE starts creeping into the 1275 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:37,550 DMT experience which we all know when 1276 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:41,330 Rick Strassman at New Mexico University 1277 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:42,890 of New Mexico the first guy who was 1278 01:02:47,650 --> 01:02:45,170 authorized by the FDA to do psychedelic 1279 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:47,660 testing and he gives people DMT 1280 01:02:51,730 --> 01:02:50,450 and they go there and there's et can I 1281 01:02:55,390 --> 01:02:51,740 ask you a question 1282 01:02:59,020 --> 01:02:55,400 welcome we do hate before you them yeah 1283 01:03:00,730 --> 01:02:59,030 do you have psychedelic experience do I 1284 01:03:02,829 --> 01:03:00,740 have one yep 1285 01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:02,839 well not one that I'm willing to share 1286 01:03:09,099 --> 01:03:06,190 or talk about and not one like that so 1287 01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:09,109 though I mean butabi Oh have you taken 1288 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:10,400 you don't have to share but have you 1289 01:03:16,329 --> 01:03:13,970 taken like say LSD of magic mushroom or 1290 01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:16,339 DMT or anything like that I feel 1291 01:03:21,309 --> 01:03:18,710 comfortable with well I got I have four 1292 01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:21,319 kids some of them still in high school 1293 01:03:27,099 --> 01:03:24,710 so I mean had I'm not comfortable really 1294 01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:27,109 talking about all that I it but it's not 1295 01:03:33,130 --> 01:03:30,799 drugs you know it's not drugs you know 1296 01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:33,140 the the you know who said it who said it 1297 01:03:39,329 --> 01:03:37,160 best I think is a Strassmann he said you 1298 01:03:43,329 --> 01:03:39,339 know when people ask me that question I 1299 01:03:46,980 --> 01:03:43,339 realized that either way I answer it I'm 1300 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:46,990 going to be pigeonholed and 1301 01:03:52,690 --> 01:03:50,089 misunderstood if I say oh he's no answer 1302 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:52,700 that's a non stitute okay well but but 1303 01:03:56,650 --> 01:03:54,650 his point I thought was beautiful he 1304 01:03:58,690 --> 01:03:56,660 says look if I say I've never had that 1305 01:04:00,730 --> 01:03:58,700 experience then people point at me and 1306 01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:00,740 say oh well you've never had the 1307 01:04:06,130 --> 01:04:04,190 experience if I say I have I had the 1308 01:04:08,289 --> 01:04:06,140 experience then they say well you're 1309 01:04:11,079 --> 01:04:08,299 just going off of your experience yes 1310 01:04:13,630 --> 01:04:11,089 you're you're not an objective scientist 1311 01:04:17,710 --> 01:04:13,640 who's looked at the data you're you're 1312 01:04:19,539 --> 01:04:17,720 clouded by your experience no but uh you 1313 01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:19,549 know this goes to the heart of science a 1314 01:04:28,299 --> 01:04:25,190 scientist to be objective you yeah you 1315 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:28,309 need to look at the data but a scientist 1316 01:04:35,859 --> 01:04:31,010 should also explore that's an aspect of 1317 01:04:39,789 --> 01:04:35,869 it the empirical side of science is 1318 01:04:41,950 --> 01:04:39,799 important so I believe any scientist 1319 01:04:44,849 --> 01:04:41,960 research in consciousness should not 1320 01:04:47,230 --> 01:04:44,859 just put their subjects through 1321 01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:47,240 consciousness aftering experience they 1322 01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:51,440 should experience themselves and there's 1323 01:04:58,839 --> 01:04:56,510 this incredibly stupid mean among some 1324 01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:58,849 people that know if you do that you're 1325 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:05,300 not being objective but no that's us 1326 01:05:09,290 --> 01:05:07,410 objective as you can get because then 1327 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:09,300 you have the same experience as all the 1328 01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:10,890 others well not the same experience but 1329 01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:15,630 you have the same conditions as all the 1330 01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:19,440 others and of course if you experience 1331 01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:21,660 blows you away if you're a good 1332 01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:24,270 scientist you're still gonna be able to 1333 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:27,390 relate to - that - because that's what 1334 01:05:32,570 --> 01:05:30,210 happened with people you can't have like 1335 01:05:36,980 --> 01:05:32,580 the whole world waking up and then the 1336 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:36,990 scientist is like the one guy who's 1337 01:05:41,210 --> 01:05:39,930 remained behind in an old paradigm we 1338 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:41,220 have to get them on board because 1339 01:05:45,050 --> 01:05:43,290 they're supposed to find answers that's 1340 01:05:47,810 --> 01:05:45,060 what they're supposed to do all these 1341 01:05:50,450 --> 01:05:47,820 other things are just in order to secure 1342 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:50,460 the quality of the information so if 1343 01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:52,050 that becomes so important that they 1344 01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:53,940 can't even engage with the information 1345 01:05:59,000 --> 01:05:56,220 then what I'll be talking about not 1346 01:06:03,380 --> 01:05:59,010 truth not fact finding you see what I 1347 01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:03,390 mean I do but I think that view if taken 1348 01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:06,240 to extreme always presupposes a lot of 1349 01:06:13,070 --> 01:06:10,110 things about what waking up means what 1350 01:06:15,350 --> 01:06:13,080 enlightenment means yeah but let's say 1351 01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:15,360 something happened everybody drunk 1352 01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,940 there's an old Sufi story everybody 1353 01:06:22,070 --> 01:06:19,680 drinks silver water and everybody 1354 01:06:24,310 --> 01:06:22,080 forgets but let's say everybody drinks 1355 01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,320 the water and everybody wakes up 1356 01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:26,880 something happens I don't know we see a 1357 01:06:33,290 --> 01:06:31,380 new caller or something okay now do you 1358 01:06:36,020 --> 01:06:33,300 expect the scientist not to drink of the 1359 01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:36,030 water so they can't see the caller they 1360 01:06:39,860 --> 01:06:38,340 will they be I do a better job finding 1361 01:06:40,310 --> 01:06:39,870 out what's going on if they don't do 1362 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:40,320 that 1363 01:06:46,580 --> 01:06:43,890 I don't think so real scientist if you 1364 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:46,590 look at how science emerged it was 1365 01:06:51,550 --> 01:06:48,810 spiritual people it was esoteric people 1366 01:06:54,650 --> 01:06:51,560 it was people who did go there and 1367 01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:54,660 that's why they knew that these things 1368 01:07:01,850 --> 01:06:57,480 have to be explored because they had 1369 01:07:03,530 --> 01:07:01,860 their own experience with it it doesn't 1370 01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,540 matter if it we go back to the time of 1371 01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:05,760 Pythagoras or if we go back to the time 1372 01:07:14,590 --> 01:07:09,369 of Francis Bacon or Kepler and 1373 01:07:17,650 --> 01:07:14,600 Galileo or even you at times scientists 1374 01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:17,660 should engage with whatever field 1375 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:19,910 they're studying and I should try every 1376 01:07:28,060 --> 01:07:23,810 mean to uncover and they're not gonna do 1377 01:07:29,710 --> 01:07:28,070 it on expanse on the expanse of basic 1378 01:07:32,410 --> 01:07:29,720 scientific principles they're gonna do 1379 01:07:34,810 --> 01:07:32,420 it in addition so if there was a way for 1380 01:07:37,090 --> 01:07:34,820 our scientists to explore consciousness 1381 01:07:39,070 --> 01:07:37,100 from within he should do it but of 1382 01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:39,080 course as soon as you do that you're 1383 01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:42,640 really into spiritual sciences as 1384 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:45,440 Steiner termed it like a mistake a 1385 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:48,050 mistake is someone who scientifically 1386 01:07:54,010 --> 01:07:51,530 explores from within the consciousness 1387 01:07:56,290 --> 01:07:54,020 unlike the religion where you're not 1388 01:07:58,960 --> 01:07:56,300 supposed to experience or explore you're 1389 01:08:04,320 --> 01:07:58,970 just going to be told by these middleman 1390 01:08:06,340 --> 01:08:04,330 what's going on so so but when we have 1391 01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:06,350 phenomenon like consciousness which 1392 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:11,710 isn't how you say it screws and nuts and 1393 01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,650 bolts it's is you have so what tool do 1394 01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:17,359 we have we have consciousness that's a 1395 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:19,940 tool we can use that tool so I think 1396 01:08:27,660 --> 01:08:22,490 it's basic any scientists who are 1397 01:08:30,370 --> 01:08:27,670 supposed to explore let's say 1398 01:08:34,150 --> 01:08:30,380 psychedelics should experience 1399 01:08:36,010 --> 01:08:34,160 he shouldn't be influenced while you 1400 01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,020 know doing some research with someone 1401 01:08:41,410 --> 01:08:38,319 else but he should have that experience 1402 01:08:43,780 --> 01:08:41,420 will make it easier for him to or so her 1403 01:08:45,220 --> 01:08:43,790 to relate to the subject anyway I'm 1404 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:45,230 talking myself away from where you 1405 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:47,210 wanted to go it was live and on tumblr 1406 01:08:52,690 --> 01:08:50,930 long we'll get back there because it's a 1407 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:52,700 really interesting point that you're 1408 01:08:55,599 --> 01:08:53,930 bringing up and I haven't heard a lot of 1409 01:08:58,150 --> 01:08:55,609 people talk about it and I think we're 1410 01:09:00,430 --> 01:08:58,160 in a great position to chat about it you 1411 01:09:03,849 --> 01:09:00,440 know I just interviewed a guy for the 1412 01:09:06,999 --> 01:09:03,859 second time and I love this guy his name 1413 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:07,009 is dr. Donald de gracia and he teaches 1414 01:09:11,530 --> 01:09:08,810 at Wayne State University School of 1415 01:09:13,420 --> 01:09:11,540 Medicine he's just a top-notch scientist 1416 01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:13,430 he's got all these nationalists to to 1417 01:09:20,410 --> 01:09:16,310 Health grants he's studying stroke 1418 01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:20,420 victims and nonlinear cell dynamics in a 1419 01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:22,490 way that's just completely revolution 1420 01:09:29,350 --> 01:09:24,710 uniting the field but that's not my I 1421 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:29,360 talk to him I talk to him because he had 1422 01:09:34,090 --> 01:09:31,610 an out-of-body experience as a teenager 1423 01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:34,100 that led him to have a psychedelic 1424 01:09:39,670 --> 01:09:37,430 breakthrough that let it go to that auto 1425 01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:39,680 shop you've interviewed who had a 1426 01:09:46,270 --> 01:09:42,190 near-death experience and it was so 1427 01:09:48,820 --> 01:09:46,280 attacked from that brain surgeons or 1428 01:09:49,870 --> 01:09:48,830 something right right that's a banal 1429 01:09:53,230 --> 01:09:49,880 examiner yeah 1430 01:09:55,660 --> 01:09:53,240 and came then so all these all these so 1431 01:10:00,400 --> 01:09:55,670 but that maybe gets to my point you know 1432 01:10:02,980 --> 01:10:00,410 so so Don de gracia it eventually he 1433 01:10:04,270 --> 01:10:02,990 winds up doing a deep dive into yoga in 1434 01:10:07,660 --> 01:10:04,280 yoga philosophy and he's written these 1435 01:10:09,940 --> 01:10:07,670 books that are phenomenal on yoga 1436 01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:09,950 philosophy yoga understanding of 1437 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:12,560 consciousness and I love because he does 1438 01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:15,170 these presentations to all these really 1439 01:10:20,620 --> 01:10:17,990 really smart people like at the Society 1440 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:20,630 for scientific exploration and he's 1441 01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:22,610 really a cool nice guy and then at the 1442 01:10:25,780 --> 01:10:24,080 end they ask him questions and he just 1443 01:10:28,510 --> 01:10:25,790 slashes him down because he just knows 1444 01:10:33,010 --> 01:10:28,520 he's just really brilliant but my point 1445 01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:33,020 is what are you gonna do with Don are 1446 01:10:41,980 --> 01:10:36,380 you gonna Don has an out-of-body 1447 01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:41,990 experience he also has an experience 1448 01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:45,190 with psychedelics he also has yogic 1449 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,620 experiences with meditation all of which 1450 01:10:53,410 --> 01:10:50,560 are pointing in and lucid dreaming 1451 01:10:56,020 --> 01:10:53,420 experiences so there's all these 1452 01:10:58,990 --> 01:10:56,030 different experiences so I think as soon 1453 01:11:02,320 --> 01:10:59,000 as we start putting down these ideas 1454 01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:02,330 that well you know that person has to 1455 01:11:09,730 --> 01:11:06,710 have the certain merit badge of doing 7 1456 01:11:13,540 --> 01:11:09,740 grams in a dark room you know before we 1457 01:11:16,090 --> 01:11:13,550 can trust him [\h__\h] that's where we 1458 01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:16,100 have to lean back on the scientific 1459 01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:19,490 method because we've so gotten away from 1460 01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:23,110 it in terms of really evaluating what is 1461 01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:26,510 good science and and as limited as it is 1462 01:11:31,780 --> 01:11:29,630 understanding that it's limited in in a 1463 01:11:34,150 --> 01:11:31,790 fundamental way and that we can't really 1464 01:11:35,470 --> 01:11:34,160 measure the outside world but as long as 1465 01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:35,480 we're going to play the game that we 1466 01:11:41,050 --> 01:11:37,820 can let's do it in the best way possible 1467 01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:41,060 and in that way I think we have to be 1468 01:11:47,050 --> 01:11:44,480 really careful about laying down some 1469 01:11:50,380 --> 01:11:47,060 meta rules about the players of that 1470 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:50,390 game and what merit badges they have to 1471 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:52,850 say they have to have before they enter 1472 01:11:57,820 --> 01:11:55,610 the field I don't give a [\h__\h] how many 1473 01:12:00,430 --> 01:11:57,830 grams you've done in a dark room 1474 01:12:02,770 --> 01:12:00,440 show me the research so me show me some 1475 01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:02,780 good research in you know I'll read it 1476 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:06,080 and make up my own mind and then when I 1477 01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:08,570 want to go in the dark room I'll go in 1478 01:12:14,170 --> 01:12:10,760 the dark room and if your research 1479 01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:14,180 benefits me before during or after great 1480 01:12:21,370 --> 01:12:17,510 but my experience is my experience okay 1481 01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:21,380 well you know science let's take a thing 1482 01:12:26,530 --> 01:12:24,800 look out the body experience I'm gonna 1483 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:26,540 do something I usually don't do in my 1484 01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:31,130 show they're gonna be personal okay yeah 1485 01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:33,110 that's only yeah I'm but he goes to 1486 01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:36,110 illustrate the point I had one once 1487 01:12:44,830 --> 01:12:39,860 where I had the Wits to explore 1488 01:12:48,460 --> 01:12:44,840 scientifically because it happened and I 1489 01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:48,470 was laying it was the studio you know 1490 01:12:56,670 --> 01:12:51,710 slow horrible place anyway and I was 1491 01:13:02,350 --> 01:12:56,680 laying in a bed and I realized my body 1492 01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:02,360 so I was going out in and I was always 1493 01:13:13,170 --> 01:13:10,850 like so I was supposed to rest a little 1494 01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:13,180 before a course I was supposed to have 1495 01:13:30,220 --> 01:13:23,510 and I was pulled yanked jerked afternoon 1496 01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:30,230 afternoon and so it was like it was like 1497 01:13:41,380 --> 01:13:35,690 my legs wasn't there operan out of the 1498 01:13:44,610 --> 01:13:41,390 belly and down next to the bed so like 1499 01:13:47,770 --> 01:13:44,620 luckily Aladdin lamp a spirit you know 1500 01:13:49,989 --> 01:13:47,780 yeah it doesn't have legs he just kinda 1501 01:13:53,649 --> 01:13:49,999 that's how it felt 1502 01:13:56,910 --> 01:13:53,659 so and then I realized wow I had to and 1503 01:14:00,129 --> 01:13:56,920 it was in a dark room I have to explore 1504 01:14:02,649 --> 01:14:00,139 this now while I have the opportunity 1505 01:14:06,549 --> 01:14:02,659 and there was a mirror on the wall next 1506 01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:06,559 to me I was thinking this is an 1507 01:14:12,969 --> 01:14:09,440 excellent opportunity what happens if I 1508 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:12,979 look into that mirror right because what 1509 01:14:19,870 --> 01:14:16,610 was it is this a real thing so I did I 1510 01:14:28,509 --> 01:14:19,880 did look into the mirror and you know 1511 01:14:34,890 --> 01:14:28,519 what I saw I saw a negative of myself no 1512 01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:34,900 way way and I was so shocked at Rama I 1513 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:37,760 was I didn't prepare for that at all and 1514 01:14:43,810 --> 01:14:39,530 especially when it's a negative you know 1515 01:14:46,750 --> 01:14:43,820 you look pretty spooky right so my eyes 1516 01:14:49,419 --> 01:14:46,760 even scared myself so I was so scared 1517 01:14:54,580 --> 01:14:49,429 that I'm from that that I ended up in 1518 01:14:58,089 --> 01:14:54,590 the body again like thrown back now 1519 01:15:00,100 --> 01:14:58,099 I couldn't discover I'm not saying this 1520 01:15:02,049 --> 01:15:00,110 is an objective experience maybe other 1521 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:02,059 people will experience something else 1522 01:15:07,660 --> 01:15:04,130 but this is an example of what you can 1523 01:15:09,729 --> 01:15:07,670 do if you're scientific minded if you go 1524 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:09,739 into the experience you couldn't have 1525 01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:13,010 done this from reading a lot of meta 1526 01:15:18,009 --> 01:15:14,590 studies if you see what I mean so 1527 01:15:20,919 --> 01:15:18,019 science is not just collecting studies 1528 01:15:22,689 --> 01:15:20,929 and comparing patterns overall because 1529 01:15:25,839 --> 01:15:22,699 there can be many things that can 1530 01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,849 influence real things that can influence 1531 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:27,920 that we don't know we don't understand 1532 01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:30,050 the context that can be like a unique 1533 01:15:35,259 --> 01:15:32,449 experience that can be an objective and 1534 01:15:38,859 --> 01:15:35,269 scientific valid one but it won't be 1535 01:15:42,339 --> 01:15:38,869 reported in the meta studies right for 1536 01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:42,349 instance science is about both that 1537 01:15:46,899 --> 01:15:45,289 laboratory distance the touch thing but 1538 01:15:49,959 --> 01:15:46,909 it's also an explorer thing the 1539 01:15:53,589 --> 01:15:49,969 detective thing investigation thing both 1540 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:53,599 of them will uncover facts that would 1541 01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:56,010 help us understand a phenomenon but 1542 01:16:03,110 --> 01:15:59,760 so I'm still saying that a scientist 1543 01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:03,120 should dare go there especially if he's 1544 01:16:09,229 --> 01:16:05,340 gonna be a pioneer and do new 1545 01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:09,239 discoveries and especially if he's 1546 01:16:18,020 --> 01:16:10,980 dealing with stuff that's not just you 1547 01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:18,030 know dense particles awesome hey I'm so 1548 01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:19,440 glad you got that in it's an awesome 1549 01:16:25,580 --> 01:16:23,489 story so let's return to this yeah 1550 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:25,590 really really excellent three-part 1551 01:16:30,620 --> 01:16:28,530 interview you did with Peter Levin on 1552 01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:30,630 disclosure and we've kind of nibbled 1553 01:16:36,979 --> 01:16:34,400 around at the edges of this UFO UT 1554 01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:36,989 consciousness question and I think some 1555 01:16:42,380 --> 01:16:39,570 important ways but maybe you want to 1556 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:42,390 tell people a little bit just background 1557 01:16:51,650 --> 01:16:45,650 information on who Peter Levin day is 1558 01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:51,660 the sinister forces guy very extremely 1559 01:16:57,260 --> 01:16:54,420 intelligent brilliant guy but but tell 1560 01:17:00,610 --> 01:16:57,270 us you know tell us who he is and why 1561 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:00,620 you felt like you wanted to do this show 1562 01:17:04,340 --> 01:17:02,489 movor already told us you were kind of 1563 01:17:05,900 --> 01:17:04,350 dragged into the show a little bit but 1564 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:05,910 yeah it was pretty urgent when it 1565 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:08,610 happened and I knew I had access to one 1566 01:17:16,820 --> 01:17:12,090 of the people with their hands into the 1567 01:17:19,550 --> 01:17:16,830 pie so I wanted to milk that first I 1568 01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:19,560 felt it was my obligation to cover this 1569 01:17:24,650 --> 01:17:22,920 because it was so close to stuff that we 1570 01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:24,660 do cover like that classified space 1571 01:17:31,220 --> 01:17:27,930 program and we already had like lavender 1572 01:17:35,330 --> 01:17:31,230 lined up for many shows and when this 1573 01:17:38,030 --> 01:17:35,340 thing he broke it well he told us in an 1574 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:38,040 all interview with him when it happened 1575 01:17:43,550 --> 01:17:39,810 even he said I've been contacted I can't 1576 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:43,560 say but who we have that Donaire and big 1577 01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:45,570 project blah blah blah blah blah blah so 1578 01:17:49,550 --> 01:17:47,970 I've been there before it happened I 1579 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:49,560 talked with the levander before he was 1580 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:52,410 in touch with these people I talked with 1581 01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:54,810 him when it happened and I'll talk with 1582 01:17:59,630 --> 01:17:57,330 him as soon as the stuff got out and I 1583 01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:59,640 wanted to be among the first because 1584 01:18:04,220 --> 01:18:01,320 there was so much speculation there was 1585 01:18:06,290 --> 01:18:04,230 so little and here I'm usually you know 1586 01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,300 I think I told you this too we're 1587 01:18:11,420 --> 01:18:08,640 usually the lost with 1588 01:18:13,610 --> 01:18:11,430 never breaking news we we swipe up what 1589 01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:13,620 all the people are from God we go in 1590 01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,210 depth and we see if we can squeeze out 1591 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:17,280 some more right that's why usually what 1592 01:18:22,370 --> 01:18:20,250 happens but here I had a opportunity to 1593 01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:22,380 do more like for instance dog journalist 1594 01:18:26,210 --> 01:18:23,940 who's always in the front of what's 1595 01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:26,220 happening so I thought okay let's do it 1596 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:29,250 it's it's interesting it's related and 1597 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:31,530 it's breaking news and I thought it 1598 01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:32,970 would be like the Antarctica show it 1599 01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:35,370 didn't actually probably because I 1600 01:18:41,540 --> 01:18:37,890 didn't debunk it I just tried to find 1601 01:18:45,230 --> 01:18:41,550 out was true but who is LaVonda LaVonda 1602 01:18:48,980 --> 01:18:45,240 is very very rare thing today 1603 01:18:54,190 --> 01:18:48,990 like John Pilger in political war 1604 01:19:01,730 --> 01:18:58,330 Robert Fisk you know he's an old-school 1605 01:19:05,420 --> 01:19:01,740 boots-on-the-ground journalist and they 1606 01:19:07,130 --> 01:19:05,430 or investigative writer is but the 1607 01:19:09,260 --> 01:19:07,140 author is better to say than journalists 1608 01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:09,270 and they are not very common these days 1609 01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:12,570 and it's gone so far as to people having 1610 01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:15,260 forgotten the value and why we have them 1611 01:19:26,210 --> 01:19:20,400 and he is well known for having stick 1612 01:19:30,650 --> 01:19:26,220 his head into all sorts of Pandora's 1613 01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:30,660 boxes he's been frequenting Satanists 1614 01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:34,020 he's been frequenting Nazis war 1615 01:19:41,900 --> 01:19:37,920 criminals terrorists intelligence people 1616 01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:41,910 all sorts of dark and sinister and 1617 01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:45,210 obscure that's what he wants to do he's 1618 01:19:51,460 --> 01:19:48,840 writing books about you know when he 1619 01:19:55,790 --> 01:19:51,470 wrote a book about Mormonism it's not 1620 01:20:01,880 --> 01:19:55,800 you know the trivial stuff you're gonna 1621 01:20:04,190 --> 01:20:01,890 hear all about the shadows so yeah 1622 01:20:07,940 --> 01:20:04,200 typhoon Ian magic he's written about 1623 01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:07,950 that so he is his brand more to go into 1624 01:20:14,690 --> 01:20:12,480 the weird and obscure and sinister and 1625 01:20:17,210 --> 01:20:14,700 this is used against him because it 1626 01:20:20,540 --> 01:20:17,220 started with of course Casillas views 1627 01:20:22,570 --> 01:20:20,550 like over all the human being and when 1628 01:20:25,540 --> 01:20:22,580 he goes into the north 1629 01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:25,550 obviously a lot of knots is gonna be 1630 01:20:31,660 --> 01:20:28,860 audience and they're not gonna like that 1631 01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:31,670 he takes a stand against it and he does 1632 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:34,110 that's just what he does and then of 1633 01:20:39,020 --> 01:20:36,330 course he's a shill because he doesn't 1634 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:39,030 expose the Jews because that's the one 1635 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:44,010 thing you can take him on that he has he 1636 01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:47,850 has not written about Zionist crimes but 1637 01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:51,690 it's a complete short-circuit because 1638 01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:55,170 first of he's grown up in the Bronx 1639 01:21:00,050 --> 01:20:57,450 he has close friends who are Jews he's 1640 01:21:03,500 --> 01:21:00,060 not you know this isn't an issue for him 1641 01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:03,510 he you know people have beliefs and if 1642 01:21:09,020 --> 01:21:07,320 you're not an anti Zionist or your own 1643 01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:09,030 paradigm you're not a shield just 1644 01:21:13,820 --> 01:21:11,040 because you're not that these people are 1645 01:21:15,950 --> 01:21:13,830 expecting that in order for someone to 1646 01:21:19,220 --> 01:21:15,960 write something true you have to agree 1647 01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:19,230 with the reader on every single point 1648 01:21:24,020 --> 01:21:21,720 and if there's one position you take 1649 01:21:26,030 --> 01:21:24,030 that the listener or the reader doesn't 1650 01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:26,040 doesn't agree that's it you're a shell 1651 01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:28,260 and then you're [\h__\h] 1652 01:21:33,710 --> 01:21:31,410 excuse my French because you can never 1653 01:21:35,690 --> 01:21:33,720 please everybody never and there's 1654 01:21:39,650 --> 01:21:35,700 always gonna be a lot of crisis anyway 1655 01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:39,660 so all you can do is investigate 1656 01:21:43,730 --> 01:21:41,490 something and put it out there as 1657 01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:43,740 truthfully as possible and if you're 1658 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:46,170 honest you're also gonna offer your own 1659 01:21:52,730 --> 01:21:50,010 two cents and he does that he takes a 1660 01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:52,740 stand he's not like I mean because real 1661 01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:56,250 journalism is not neutral its objective 1662 01:22:03,260 --> 01:21:58,290 but it's not neutral that's the problem 1663 01:22:05,690 --> 01:22:03,270 in America today you have like any TV 1664 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:05,700 channel say well he says this thing he 1665 01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:08,010 says that thing what's the truth I don't 1666 01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:12,300 know imagine doing this on soccer you 1667 01:22:18,710 --> 01:22:15,360 know Brazil and Norway just played but 1668 01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:18,720 you uh neutral who won I don't know what 1669 01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:20,760 so you have to but you have to be 1670 01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:22,440 objective and report the facts it's 1671 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:25,410 actually Norway is actually 3-0 over 1672 01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:28,410 Brazil and soccer so that's the fact you 1673 01:22:32,510 --> 01:22:30,330 reporter you don't have to like it and 1674 01:22:34,069 --> 01:22:32,520 you don't have to cheer for anyone even 1675 01:22:37,490 --> 01:22:34,079 if you secretly are 1676 01:22:41,629 --> 01:22:37,500 or following one but you have to be 1677 01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:41,639 objective and Peter and Joseph and many 1678 01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:44,130 of those people I want I think they are 1679 01:22:49,370 --> 01:22:45,780 objective they're trying to be objective 1680 01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:49,380 but not necessarily neutral so just 1681 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:51,960 because someone has an an opinion that's 1682 01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:53,730 different from you you you're insane 1683 01:22:59,569 --> 01:22:56,489 okay so the if you're gonna use that 1684 01:23:01,459 --> 01:22:59,579 mistake who can you really listen to who 1685 01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:01,469 what books can you really read nothing 1686 01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:05,280 and why use it on and usually something 1687 01:23:09,229 --> 01:23:07,380 completely irrelevant from the topic in 1688 01:23:11,209 --> 01:23:09,239 this case in the Tom DeLonge thing it's 1689 01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,219 not because it's not the scientist 1690 01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:13,440 something is being criticized there by 1691 01:23:21,049 --> 01:23:17,730 Nazis there is criticism for being maybe 1692 01:23:24,589 --> 01:23:21,059 either either being used some stupid 1693 01:23:26,030 --> 01:23:24,599 naive child who doesn't understand that 1694 01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:26,040 that can happen 1695 01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:32,610 or he's even in on it hold on let me let 1696 01:23:37,580 --> 01:23:34,770 me interject here because I love the 1697 01:23:39,589 --> 01:23:37,590 first point that you made I think that 1698 01:23:40,970 --> 01:23:39,599 this gets back to the first topic I want 1699 01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:40,980 to talk about in terms of truth seeking 1700 01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,440 and you just laid a an absolute 1701 01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:45,840 essential component on the table that we 1702 01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:47,699 need to talk about is that if you've 1703 01:23:54,859 --> 01:23:51,090 constructed your truth seeking 1704 01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:54,869 methodology methodology such that you 1705 01:23:59,569 --> 01:23:57,000 have all these trigger issues that if 1706 01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,579 anyone touches them then the bomb goes 1707 01:24:03,470 --> 01:24:01,440 off and they're on the out and now 1708 01:24:05,209 --> 01:24:03,480 you're on the in if that's the way 1709 01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:05,219 you're operating you're right you have 1710 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:07,920 no way of sorting through these issues 1711 01:24:13,629 --> 01:24:09,690 because they're all going to be layered 1712 01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:13,639 with complexity in conspiracy and 1713 01:24:19,879 --> 01:24:16,770 misinformation disinformation and lack 1714 01:24:23,629 --> 01:24:19,889 of information is the biggest one so I'm 1715 01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:23,639 totally with you on that but I would say 1716 01:24:28,939 --> 01:24:27,000 that like you and I need to raise 1717 01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:28,949 ourselves to a higher standard to a 1718 01:24:33,169 --> 01:24:31,110 higher level I know you do because 1719 01:24:36,819 --> 01:24:33,179 you're engaging this dialogue and I'm 1720 01:24:40,850 --> 01:24:36,829 saying hey to me lavinda seems like a 1721 01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:40,860 political operator all the way and I'm 1722 01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:42,690 gonna point out the reasons that I think 1723 01:24:47,209 --> 01:24:45,210 he is that doesn't mean that he doesn't 1724 01:24:47,780 --> 01:24:47,219 that he's not a good guy 1725 01:24:53,180 --> 01:24:47,790 that 1726 01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:53,190 in a lot of other things it just means 1727 01:24:57,410 --> 01:24:55,650 that and that's the other thing the most 1728 01:25:01,850 --> 01:24:57,420 important thing is he honest about his 1729 01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:01,860 work and is he honest all the time 1730 01:25:06,380 --> 01:25:03,750 that's the other thing I think people 1731 01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:06,390 aren't willing to accept you know if 1732 01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:09,090 you're out there in the real world if 1733 01:25:11,870 --> 01:25:10,290 you're out there in the world of 1734 01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:11,880 business if you're out there in the 1735 01:25:19,250 --> 01:25:14,820 world of power trying to make things 1736 01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:19,260 happen you realize there's some corners 1737 01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:21,840 that need to be cut and you can't tell 1738 01:25:28,370 --> 01:25:25,980 everyone all the truth all the time the 1739 01:25:30,530 --> 01:25:28,380 world just doesn't work that way so 1740 01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:30,540 that's yeah but that's about if you have 1741 01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:34,290 deals or discretion like you you must 1742 01:25:38,030 --> 01:25:36,000 protect your sources for example it's 1743 01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,040 true he doesn't say everything I know 1744 01:25:43,730 --> 01:25:41,280 that for a fact I play this clip I play 1745 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:43,740 this clip and it'll jump jump start us 1746 01:25:52,460 --> 01:25:46,890 right into the conversation that I want 1747 01:25:54,650 --> 01:25:52,470 to have finally realized Tom was Tom and 1748 01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:54,660 Tom said listen we have to get to the 1749 01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:56,490 bottom of this we have to do what we can 1750 01:26:01,850 --> 01:25:59,760 to once and for all make some progress 1751 01:26:02,930 --> 01:26:01,860 on this UFO thing because everybody's 1752 01:26:04,820 --> 01:26:02,940 going around in circles 1753 01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,830 you know everybody is just repeating 1754 01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:06,960 everybody else there are no good sources 1755 01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:09,480 except Project Blue Book or a handful of 1756 01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:11,850 government documents past that there's 1757 01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:13,620 nothing and all we're doing is running 1758 01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:15,090 around in circles each side is blaming 1759 01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:16,320 the other side for being a 1760 01:26:20,180 --> 01:26:17,970 disinformation agents know the rest of 1761 01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:20,190 it and it just it's just it's it's a 1762 01:26:25,070 --> 01:26:22,620 mess how do we solve this and the only 1763 01:26:27,380 --> 01:26:25,080 way to solve it is to scrap everything 1764 01:26:30,010 --> 01:26:27,390 we think we know start from a fresh page 1765 01:26:32,690 --> 01:26:30,020 and say okay there's a UFO phenomenon 1766 01:26:34,930 --> 01:26:32,700 what can people tell us about it people 1767 01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:34,940 in positions that people who would know 1768 01:26:40,940 --> 01:26:38,820 so our approach was to go to people in 1769 01:26:42,860 --> 01:26:40,950 the government people in the military 1770 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:42,870 people the intelligence agencies start 1771 01:26:48,260 --> 01:26:44,570 from there just to see what shakes loose 1772 01:26:50,330 --> 01:26:48,270 I'm gonna stop it right there I love 1773 01:26:55,370 --> 01:26:50,340 your notes I have to laugh I'm seeing 1774 01:26:57,950 --> 01:26:55,380 your notes there oh god I mean for 1775 01:27:00,710 --> 01:26:57,960 people who are deep into this I just ask 1776 01:27:01,409 --> 01:27:00,720 you to take a step back and do a reality 1777 01:27:03,540 --> 01:27:01,419 check 1778 01:27:06,029 --> 01:27:03,550 forget everything you know about Peter 1779 01:27:08,459 --> 01:27:06,039 Levin de how much we love him how much 1780 01:27:11,580 --> 01:27:08,469 we respect him how much he seems to have 1781 01:27:14,810 --> 01:27:11,590 some deep state connections all along 1782 01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:14,820 given what he knows does that make sense 1783 01:27:22,020 --> 01:27:18,719 let's go to the people who have lied 1784 01:27:24,959 --> 01:27:22,030 distorted killed people threatened to 1785 01:27:27,870 --> 01:27:24,969 kill people let's go to the let's go to 1786 01:27:30,209 --> 01:27:27,880 them our first stop does let's go to the 1787 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:30,219 intelligence agencies so they'll tell us 1788 01:27:35,790 --> 01:27:33,130 the truth this time no no no it's unfair 1789 01:27:36,449 --> 01:27:35,800 and I'm gonna explain why of course this 1790 01:27:49,469 --> 01:27:36,459 happened 1791 01:27:51,509 --> 01:27:49,479 nobody was everybody was hallelujah in 1792 01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:51,519 that and I was impressed by that - when 1793 01:27:57,029 --> 01:27:55,209 Greer had these people up there and it 1794 01:28:01,049 --> 01:27:57,039 happened with the citizens disclosure 1795 01:28:06,839 --> 01:28:01,059 it's happened where the was one more 1796 01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:06,849 project slips me now but you've had like 1797 01:28:13,049 --> 01:28:11,110 three big before this three big in 1798 01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:13,059 disclosure attempts in service coming 1799 01:28:18,899 --> 01:28:17,050 out he the long and company did exactly 1800 01:28:20,969 --> 01:28:18,909 what people have done before what 1801 01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:20,979 they've been screaming and demanding 1802 01:28:25,589 --> 01:28:23,199 I've never been screaming about this 1803 01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:25,599 precisely because you are in the 1804 01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:28,570 predicament that can you trust you know 1805 01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:31,360 why do you demand the people you claim 1806 01:28:36,899 --> 01:28:34,239 lying to come clean about it because if 1807 01:28:38,939 --> 01:28:36,909 they do come clean about it and it's 1808 01:28:41,489 --> 01:28:38,949 true you're not gonna believe them and 1809 01:28:43,469 --> 01:28:41,499 if they do come clean about it and it's 1810 01:28:45,509 --> 01:28:43,479 not true you know you're not gonna 1811 01:28:48,139 --> 01:28:45,519 believe them either way so you're kind 1812 01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:48,149 of it doesn't work whistleblowers 1813 01:28:53,729 --> 01:28:51,550 insiders joseph earl makes a point of 1814 01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:53,739 this many times it's it's not really a 1815 01:29:00,000 --> 01:28:56,159 good source for knowledge documents 1816 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:00,010 evidence phenomenons stuff like that 1817 01:29:06,540 --> 01:29:04,090 it's a good source so i don't think that 1818 01:29:11,279 --> 01:29:06,550 we can expect too much from this but 1819 01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,289 they're saying themselves our target is 1820 01:29:16,740 --> 01:29:13,840 not you know the professional you 1821 01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:16,750 just crawled its stem back that is 1822 01:29:22,980 --> 01:29:20,260 extremely suspect that to me is a 1823 01:29:25,230 --> 01:29:22,990 classic talking point you know what 1824 01:29:27,150 --> 01:29:25,240 right I'll tell you why well let me just 1825 01:29:29,550 --> 01:29:27,160 lay this out there you don't sure I am 1826 01:29:32,670 --> 01:29:29,560 into the near-death experience science 1827 01:29:35,580 --> 01:29:32,680 if someone came out with a new 1828 01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:35,590 near-death experience study and they 1829 01:29:40,260 --> 01:29:37,570 said you know I'm not really interested 1830 01:29:42,570 --> 01:29:40,270 in talking to the near-death experience 1831 01:29:45,330 --> 01:29:42,580 community which in a lot of ways kind of 1832 01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:45,340 parallels the UFO community there's some 1833 01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:48,880 kind of you know strange people if you 1834 01:29:53,550 --> 01:29:51,250 will who go to a lot of conferences and 1835 01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:53,560 maybe are into it in a way that a lot of 1836 01:29:58,860 --> 01:29:56,110 people can't relate to but those are the 1837 01:30:01,680 --> 01:29:58,870 people that have really invested and are 1838 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:01,690 somewhat of the gatekeepers for the 1839 01:30:07,470 --> 01:30:04,810 public at large if someone came out and 1840 01:30:10,020 --> 01:30:07,480 said oh I need to do an end run on all 1841 01:30:10,710 --> 01:30:10,030 those people because I want to get to 1842 01:30:13,820 --> 01:30:10,720 someone else 1843 01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:13,830 man that's talking points that's that's 1844 01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:17,410 operations of disinformation in missing 1845 01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:21,610 its classic and to say that that's why I 1846 01:30:26,850 --> 01:30:25,090 mean let's move forward on this thing 1847 01:30:28,770 --> 01:30:26,860 because we're gonna disagree on that and 1848 01:30:31,380 --> 01:30:28,780 I'm comfortable yeah yeah but I want to 1849 01:30:34,170 --> 01:30:31,390 put why I disagree out there 1850 01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:34,180 I want to substantiate I don't just want 1851 01:30:38,490 --> 01:30:36,610 to spew opinions and people have to you 1852 01:30:41,820 --> 01:30:38,500 know interpret it or accept them I want 1853 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:41,830 to explain why of course what you say is 1854 01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:44,410 true it could be all that but then 1855 01:30:47,700 --> 01:30:45,850 you're forgetting to read it at the 1856 01:30:49,670 --> 01:30:47,710 basic level where it's presented it 1857 01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:49,680 could also be true from that basic level 1858 01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:53,170 which is okay if these people are insert 1859 01:30:58,440 --> 01:30:56,560 us let's get what they have what they 1860 01:31:00,600 --> 01:30:58,450 know what they can't share but but the 1861 01:31:02,670 --> 01:31:00,610 most important thing when I say there 1862 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:02,680 are trying to reach the public that's 1863 01:31:07,710 --> 01:31:05,770 not suspicious it can be suspicious but 1864 01:31:10,170 --> 01:31:07,720 it on the face of it it's completely 1865 01:31:12,510 --> 01:31:10,180 logic it's what you would want to do if 1866 01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:12,520 you want to move the culture forward and 1867 01:31:16,740 --> 01:31:14,560 that's what they have done because they 1868 01:31:18,780 --> 01:31:16,750 went they didn't want them to YouTube 1869 01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:18,790 with these things they went to the 1870 01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:21,520 lamestream corrupt media The Washington 1871 01:31:25,870 --> 01:31:23,170 Post in New York Times 1872 01:31:30,129 --> 01:31:25,880 yeah but I'll tell you something Alex 1873 01:31:33,129 --> 01:31:30,139 the old stream media is still working in 1874 01:31:35,740 --> 01:31:33,139 the bubble and the bubble is 1875 01:31:38,140 --> 01:31:35,750 international so our lame stream media 1876 01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:38,150 never report to stuff like this when it 1877 01:31:42,609 --> 01:31:40,639 was on YouTube when it wasn't for 1878 01:31:44,770 --> 01:31:42,619 umbrella so skeptical but you know what 1879 01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:44,780 they did the actually reported it 1880 01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:47,360 because it was in New York Times the the 1881 01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:50,449 most trivial the most brain-dead media 1882 01:31:55,870 --> 01:31:52,489 talked about it and how did I talk about 1883 01:31:57,939 --> 01:31:55,880 it not like they usually do which is the 1884 01:32:01,270 --> 01:31:57,949 smirking and the laughing and the 1885 01:32:04,030 --> 01:32:01,280 dismissing and detachment thing let's 1886 01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:04,040 not go there you know this is this is a 1887 01:32:10,060 --> 01:32:07,520 joke no they spoke seriously suddenly 1888 01:32:12,580 --> 01:32:10,070 the skeptics you know the International 1889 01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:12,590 cult of the skeptics had to defend they 1890 01:32:16,510 --> 01:32:14,510 were starting to yeah okay so that 1891 01:32:19,569 --> 01:32:16,520 happened but it could be this that they 1892 01:32:22,810 --> 01:32:19,579 were really on the on the back feet and 1893 01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,820 all sorts of you know ordinary people 1894 01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:24,560 were blurring out what they've been 1895 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:26,000 thinking all the time in the common 1896 01:32:29,580 --> 01:32:27,770 fields yeah yeah we probably not alone 1897 01:32:32,260 --> 01:32:29,590 it's probably something they actually 1898 01:32:36,430 --> 01:32:32,270 succeeded to put it on the agenda of the 1899 01:32:41,890 --> 01:32:36,440 main stream and they say that's one of 1900 01:32:42,430 --> 01:32:41,900 their goals and so I say do it have fun 1901 01:32:46,209 --> 01:32:42,440 with it 1902 01:32:49,540 --> 01:32:46,219 nobody's stopping us geeks from going 1903 01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:49,550 deeper and like we always done anyway 1904 01:32:55,959 --> 01:32:52,730 right but we need someone to bridge the 1905 01:33:00,910 --> 01:32:55,969 gap between the public mainstream or and 1906 01:33:06,220 --> 01:33:00,920 their outlets and you know what we're 1907 01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:06,230 into so so I'm not saying that I know 1908 01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:09,530 for sure that everything is completely 1909 01:33:14,859 --> 01:33:11,650 clean and up about this but I'm saying 1910 01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:14,869 this isn't a mystery it's working 1911 01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:16,730 they're saying this is what I want to do 1912 01:33:22,959 --> 01:33:21,290 I accept that and I applaud that I hear 1913 01:33:24,700 --> 01:33:22,969 yeah there's a reality to what you're 1914 01:33:27,310 --> 01:33:24,710 saying and it is great that it's out 1915 01:33:30,970 --> 01:33:27,320 there I'll just leave this topic with 1916 01:33:33,839 --> 01:33:30,980 three data points that to me make it 1917 01:33:38,169 --> 01:33:33,849 pretty clear that it's a political 1918 01:33:39,399 --> 01:33:38,179 scientist blower idea you know at least 1919 01:33:41,409 --> 01:33:39,409 here in the United States 1920 01:33:44,350 --> 01:33:41,419 don't have whistleblowers whistleblowers 1921 01:33:46,899 --> 01:33:44,360 go to jail it the kid who took the 1922 01:33:48,879 --> 01:33:46,909 selfies inside his submarine innocently 1923 01:33:51,370 --> 01:33:48,889 and sent him to his girlfriend he goes 1924 01:33:53,739 --> 01:33:51,380 to jail so there's no such thing as a 1925 01:33:56,830 --> 01:33:53,749 whistleblower unless they want the 1926 01:33:59,290 --> 01:33:56,840 information out I had the opportunity to 1927 01:34:01,330 --> 01:33:59,300 interview Leslie Kane who I really like 1928 01:34:04,209 --> 01:34:01,340 and she's fantastic and she's the one 1929 01:34:05,890 --> 01:34:04,219 who wrote the New York Times article and 1930 01:34:08,979 --> 01:34:05,900 published it one of the three authors of 1931 01:34:12,489 --> 01:34:08,989 it and I pushed her really hard as is on 1932 01:34:14,469 --> 01:34:12,499 the crime Erica show and III I poked her 1933 01:34:15,699 --> 01:34:14,479 really hard but the one place that she 1934 01:34:19,419 --> 01:34:15,709 responded that I thought was very 1935 01:34:21,489 --> 01:34:19,429 telling in a way that to me reveals the 1936 01:34:25,419 --> 01:34:21,499 whole thing she goes but this wasn't 1937 01:34:27,219 --> 01:34:25,429 classified all right I'm like does that 1938 01:34:30,279 --> 01:34:27,229 make any sense to you Leslie 1939 01:34:32,799 --> 01:34:30,289 we all agree this is probably the 1940 01:34:34,569 --> 01:34:32,809 biggest story certainly in our lifetime 1941 01:34:36,969 --> 01:34:34,579 maybe forever 1942 01:34:39,339 --> 01:34:36,979 and we have a government that's very 1943 01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:39,349 interested in keeping and protecting 1944 01:34:45,729 --> 01:34:42,800 secrets but you're going to tell me this 1945 01:34:48,179 --> 01:34:45,739 is not classified by what phony 1946 01:34:52,719 --> 01:34:48,189 blowingly system what wasn't classified 1947 01:34:55,390 --> 01:34:52,729 what Elizondo revealed that is a look 1948 01:34:58,449 --> 01:34:55,400 into that that wasn't classified well 1949 01:35:00,429 --> 01:34:58,459 that makes sense done though it makes 1950 01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:00,439 sense that that it was a controlled 1951 01:35:06,879 --> 01:35:05,090 political Scion because otherwise why 1952 01:35:08,949 --> 01:35:06,889 isn't this MIT that there is no such 1953 01:35:10,739 --> 01:35:08,959 thing as whistleblowers it only comes 1954 01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:10,749 out if they want it to come out 1955 01:35:14,830 --> 01:35:12,650 classification is Declassified document 1956 01:35:17,379 --> 01:35:14,840 they're all basically blowers but maybe 1957 01:35:19,929 --> 01:35:17,389 not in any UFO fields and yes they are 1958 01:35:21,819 --> 01:35:19,939 arrested yeah they are that's that's 1959 01:35:23,919 --> 01:35:21,829 what I mean there's not a union for mr. 1960 01:35:25,449 --> 01:35:23,929 blowers actually yes and there's all 1961 01:35:28,299 --> 01:35:25,459 sorts of laws and there's all that so 1962 01:35:29,859 --> 01:35:28,309 I'm saying this in in baby wait I hope 1963 01:35:32,199 --> 01:35:29,869 people sometimes take it totally 1964 01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:32,209 literally and they go oh yes there are 1965 01:35:38,589 --> 01:35:35,689 I realize that I did I've just think so 1966 01:35:40,659 --> 01:35:38,599 here's the third point and the one that 1967 01:35:42,370 --> 01:35:40,669 we'll leave it with that that I'd really 1968 01:35:44,199 --> 01:35:42,380 like you to respond to because we've 1969 01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:44,209 already touched on it and to be I wish 1970 01:35:47,889 --> 01:35:46,010 we could go a little deeper into this we 1971 01:35:50,649 --> 01:35:47,899 will go as deep as you want we'll go as 1972 01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:50,659 deep as you want mm-hmm but this whole 1973 01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:53,090 project didn't work 1974 01:36:00,010 --> 01:35:57,170 so levin de to me is clearly a globalist 1975 01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:00,020 not in a bad way people's think that's a 1976 01:36:04,900 --> 01:36:02,210 bad term hey there's just a certain 1977 01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:04,910 group of people politically motivated 1978 01:36:11,860 --> 01:36:08,930 who see the world as being full of 1979 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:11,870 problems that can only be solved at a 1980 01:36:18,730 --> 01:36:16,010 global level so right those people are 1981 01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:18,740 opposed to people in our country people 1982 01:36:27,970 --> 01:36:22,490 like Donald Trump who say no we have to 1983 01:36:29,650 --> 01:36:27,980 fight that toll for that globalist kind 1984 01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:29,660 of thing we just want to be left alone 1985 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:32,210 so I don't want to take a side on that I 1986 01:36:36,130 --> 01:36:34,010 just want to point that out that that's 1987 01:36:38,230 --> 01:36:36,140 just a reality of the world that we face 1988 01:36:40,270 --> 01:36:38,240 and the globalist not to put them down I 1989 01:36:42,820 --> 01:36:40,280 mean they have a point right there are 1990 01:36:44,290 --> 01:36:42,830 certain problems that we face that do 1991 01:36:48,150 --> 01:36:44,300 have to be looked at at the global level 1992 01:36:52,780 --> 01:36:48,160 but I'm suggesting that the only way to 1993 01:36:55,870 --> 01:36:52,790 understand Tom DeLonge and Peter Levin 1994 01:36:59,620 --> 01:36:55,880 de and this whole rollout is as a 1995 01:37:04,480 --> 01:36:59,630 politically driven rollout of another 1996 01:37:07,810 --> 01:37:04,490 issue that is playing into the globalist 1997 01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:07,820 kind of political sphere and puts things 1998 01:37:12,370 --> 01:37:10,030 in a way that can only be understood 1999 01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:12,380 globally and I would point out as the 2000 01:37:19,150 --> 01:37:15,170 evidence of that is listen to listen to 2001 01:37:22,090 --> 01:37:19,160 Peter go listen to Lesley Kaine go 2002 01:37:25,480 --> 01:37:22,100 listen to Linda Moulton Howe go listen 2003 01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:25,490 to Richard Dolan I've listened to 12 14 2004 01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:28,250 20 hours of them you know who they never 2005 01:37:33,130 --> 01:37:31,130 mentioned they never mentioned a guy 2006 01:37:36,030 --> 01:37:33,140 who's this most powerful political 2007 01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:36,040 figure in the world right now whose 2008 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:39,170 anti-globalist so whether anyone likes 2009 01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:42,890 Trump or not why would that position 2010 01:37:48,130 --> 01:37:45,440 that political position you'd be left 2011 01:37:51,450 --> 01:37:48,140 out of the conversation they pretend 2012 01:37:54,610 --> 01:37:51,460 that that isn't even a reality so well 2013 01:37:58,480 --> 01:37:54,620 well okay okay first off he should be 2014 01:38:04,000 --> 01:37:58,490 mentioned for two reasons one because 2015 01:38:05,060 --> 01:38:04,010 Alice Ando closest friend is mad doc 2016 01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:05,070 Ellie 2017 01:38:13,250 --> 01:38:09,690 grunts general so if the government has 2018 01:38:21,770 --> 01:38:13,260 a hand in this is actually the trumpian 2019 01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:21,780 faction I don't think that and I'll tell 2020 01:38:27,110 --> 01:38:24,480 you why but I just have to say also the 2021 01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:27,120 other thing that's very interesting is 2022 01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:28,770 let me just interject something while 2023 01:38:31,580 --> 01:38:30,210 you're tossing while you're positive for 2024 01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:31,590 a minute because because here was really 2025 01:38:37,490 --> 01:38:34,170 going to be my point in all that to me 2026 01:38:40,670 --> 01:38:37,500 the evidence that it is as I said is the 2027 01:38:44,450 --> 01:38:40,680 fact that it didn't work it didn't work 2028 01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:44,460 the intended purpose the intended 2029 01:38:49,130 --> 01:38:46,260 purpose of that hope that was the 2030 01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:49,140 biggest rollout of information of 2031 01:38:54,410 --> 01:38:51,810 disclosure in the history of the world 2032 01:38:57,020 --> 01:38:54,420 they did everything they could to try 2033 01:38:59,480 --> 01:38:57,030 and make that change the hearts and 2034 01:39:03,080 --> 01:38:59,490 minds of the entire planet and it 2035 01:39:05,060 --> 01:39:03,090 completely failed so the you know my 2036 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:05,070 story is my story and I've told this 2037 01:39:08,930 --> 01:39:07,290 before is the soccer dad story I'm on 2038 01:39:11,480 --> 01:39:08,940 the soccer field watching my daughter 2039 01:39:13,490 --> 01:39:11,490 and a friend comes up because he knows 2040 01:39:16,340 --> 01:39:13,500 I'm interested in this stuff and here 2041 01:39:18,290 --> 01:39:16,350 here's his story he goes hey did you 2042 01:39:20,900 --> 01:39:18,300 hear about that UFO thing in the New 2043 01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:20,910 York Times and I just nod my head and he 2044 01:39:25,850 --> 01:39:23,730 goes it's really strange because it was 2045 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:25,860 like a big story and then it just went 2046 01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:30,330 away that is I think the public 2047 01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:34,050 perception is what happened this was the 2048 01:39:39,940 --> 01:39:37,110 biggest story in the world why did it go 2049 01:39:43,220 --> 01:39:39,950 away and no one's asking that question 2050 01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:43,230 why weren't they able to make this thing 2051 01:39:47,810 --> 01:39:45,330 happen they were trying to make it 2052 01:39:49,370 --> 01:39:47,820 happen they got to all the news outlets 2053 01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:49,380 they thought they would make it happen 2054 01:39:54,490 --> 01:39:51,510 they thought this would be top of issue 2055 01:39:56,510 --> 01:39:54,500 for everybody and it just didn't fly 2056 01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:56,520 they were very interesting happened 2057 01:40:01,130 --> 01:39:59,040 right after I'm it's going under the 2058 01:40:03,020 --> 01:40:01,140 radar I haven't seen it discussed and 2059 01:40:06,290 --> 01:40:03,030 I'm going to discuss it with Catherine 2060 01:40:07,970 --> 01:40:06,300 Austin Fitz and at the end of this month 2061 01:40:10,330 --> 01:40:07,980 and I'm going to discuss it with Joseph 2062 01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:10,340 Farah because there those two are very 2063 01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:13,290 well-positioned to speculate about that 2064 01:40:20,549 --> 01:40:16,449 and what is that big big bomb 2065 01:40:23,790 --> 01:40:20,559 it is that Trump and I sent you this 2066 01:40:26,069 --> 01:40:23,800 Trump certainly goes out on a press 2067 01:40:29,129 --> 01:40:26,079 conference that hasn't been covered 2068 01:40:31,589 --> 01:40:29,139 enough and he basically white washes the 2069 01:40:35,069 --> 01:40:31,599 secret space program and I'm gonna I 2070 01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:35,079 finally have my purse rats on as a guest 2071 01:40:38,069 --> 01:40:36,729 I'm gonna discuss it with him too 2072 01:40:40,830 --> 01:40:38,079 because I don't know if you've seen his 2073 01:40:42,779 --> 01:40:40,840 material but it's amazing so this 2074 01:40:45,779 --> 01:40:42,789 happens right afterwards you you're 2075 01:40:48,959 --> 01:40:45,789 right in that they managed to create a 2076 01:40:52,949 --> 01:40:48,969 blimp and then it went dark which tells 2077 01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:52,959 me that they weren't clear to do this 2078 01:41:00,859 --> 01:40:58,570 and that the outlets were kind of you 2079 01:41:04,169 --> 01:41:00,869 know stopped the hijacked or whatever 2080 01:41:06,899 --> 01:41:04,179 I'm pretty sure like you that they know 2081 01:41:11,879 --> 01:41:06,909 more than they're going out with and I'm 2082 01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:11,889 also pretty sure that if they went too 2083 01:41:17,429 --> 01:41:15,280 much too fast whatever they would be 2084 01:41:19,319 --> 01:41:17,439 taking care of like you're saying people 2085 01:41:22,020 --> 01:41:19,329 are arrested but there are if you look 2086 01:41:25,859 --> 01:41:22,030 at the whatever they call it the 2087 01:41:28,020 --> 01:41:25,869 intelligence people for sanity or 2088 01:41:31,049 --> 01:41:28,030 something there's a bunch of very great 2089 01:41:34,319 --> 01:41:31,059 people like Ray McGovern like this Greek 2090 01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:34,329 guy quirky something like this NSA guy 2091 01:41:41,310 --> 01:41:38,530 bill Binney there are genuine and of 2092 01:41:43,139 --> 01:41:41,320 course we have Snowden a so and she's 2093 01:41:45,149 --> 01:41:43,149 not American though but there are 2094 01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:45,159 genuine people coming out with stuff 2095 01:41:52,069 --> 01:41:48,639 that they're not supposed to they are 2096 01:41:56,580 --> 01:41:52,079 not necessarily killed boiling frog this 2097 01:42:00,209 --> 01:41:56,590 yeah she's good yeah she's great so I 2098 01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:00,219 think Alice on doing those guys are 2099 01:42:06,060 --> 01:42:03,760 balancing like I said in my own show 2100 01:42:08,069 --> 01:42:06,070 either they come out with this they're 2101 01:42:12,089 --> 01:42:08,079 not allowed to and now let's see how we 2102 01:42:15,209 --> 01:42:12,099 can save it or they already had we're 2103 01:42:17,339 --> 01:42:15,219 allowed to come up with something or you 2104 01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:17,349 know I laid out the scenarios I don't 2105 01:42:21,869 --> 01:42:19,030 want to recap it here it will take too 2106 01:42:26,399 --> 01:42:21,879 much time but I go through all the 2107 01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:26,409 scenarios and I can see what globalists 2108 01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:28,530 or the powers-that-be could gay 2109 01:42:33,650 --> 01:42:31,110 in from this all they have managed to 2110 01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:33,660 attain is that a few more people is now 2111 01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:36,960 open to the phenomenon that's you know 2112 01:42:42,350 --> 01:42:39,090 follow the money they say and who 2113 01:42:45,140 --> 01:42:42,360 benefits they say so I asked you who 2114 01:42:47,300 --> 01:42:45,150 benefits how is this a sinister plot 2115 01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:47,310 leti if it's a sinister plot from the 2116 01:42:55,190 --> 01:42:50,810 top letting us know about it I suppose 2117 01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:55,200 it's climate change it's a problem that 2118 01:43:00,860 --> 01:42:57,920 can only be solved at a global level 2119 01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:00,870 therefore give us give your rights up 2120 01:43:06,710 --> 01:43:03,360 give you know you're talking about actu 2121 01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:06,720 actually is very important I mentioned 2122 01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:10,290 that too in my my quantification at the 2123 01:43:16,090 --> 01:43:11,850 end of that show with levander I said 2124 01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:16,100 that if they try to spin this in a 2125 01:43:19,970 --> 01:43:18,810 particular direction that's when we know 2126 01:43:22,700 --> 01:43:19,980 what this is about 2127 01:43:26,180 --> 01:43:22,710 because if they are gonna and this is 2128 01:43:29,110 --> 01:43:26,190 what Tom DeLonge got a lot of criticism 2129 01:43:32,540 --> 01:43:29,120 for because he flaunted his opinion and 2130 01:43:34,730 --> 01:43:32,550 his opinion and before they reveal 2131 01:43:37,250 --> 01:43:34,740 anything he said in his opinion these 2132 01:43:40,700 --> 01:43:37,260 are bad guys you know pretty much the 2133 01:43:43,220 --> 01:43:40,710 opposite of what Steven Greer says now 2134 01:43:45,620 --> 01:43:43,230 if the powers-that-be comes out and says 2135 01:43:48,260 --> 01:43:45,630 yeah we have to recruit a lot of 2136 01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:48,270 soldiers to fight the bad aliens so we 2137 01:43:51,650 --> 01:43:50,130 have to do this so that our more control 2138 01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:51,660 and blah blah blah then you're having 2139 01:43:56,030 --> 01:43:54,330 then you can close your case you can 2140 01:43:58,190 --> 01:43:56,040 have a hypothesis now that something 2141 01:44:01,220 --> 01:43:58,200 sinister is in the oven but you have to 2142 01:44:04,820 --> 01:44:01,230 argue for where it's going and you have 2143 01:44:08,150 --> 01:44:04,830 to use objective faculty to back that up 2144 01:44:10,580 --> 01:44:08,160 and so far we haven't seen anything 2145 01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:10,590 except the Trump thing and the Trump 2146 01:44:16,190 --> 01:44:14,880 thing cannot being provoked by this it 2147 01:44:19,220 --> 01:44:16,200 doesn't have to have anything to do with 2148 01:44:23,180 --> 01:44:19,230 it but it's very close in time very 2149 01:44:25,670 --> 01:44:23,190 related and what Trump is doing there is 2150 01:44:28,490 --> 01:44:25,680 either a whitewash you know it could be 2151 01:44:31,190 --> 01:44:28,500 like Trump gets wind of this it looks 2152 01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:31,200 into it and because I don't think they 2153 01:44:36,050 --> 01:44:34,050 want to tell him too much if nothing 2154 01:44:38,750 --> 01:44:36,060 else then because they know they can't 2155 01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:38,760 trust him not to blurt out something 2156 01:44:42,890 --> 01:44:40,770 but let's say he got wind of something 2157 01:44:45,140 --> 01:44:42,900 and he gets win oh we have this 2158 01:44:46,670 --> 01:44:45,150 technology Wow oh yeah let's use it I 2159 01:44:49,130 --> 01:44:46,680 want to use it to my advantage it 2160 01:44:52,940 --> 01:44:49,140 reminds me a little of what Obama did 2161 01:44:58,580 --> 01:44:52,950 with Bush Bush had in the pipeline to 2162 01:45:02,390 --> 01:44:58,590 use the death of Osama as a trump card 2163 01:45:05,180 --> 01:45:02,400 as an ace to win the second but that was 2164 01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,190 foiled partly I think by Alex Jones and 2165 01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:07,920 because it became like a huge meme that 2166 01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:11,370 the he's still they're gonna say they 2167 01:45:17,620 --> 01:45:13,650 kill him and they kind of ruined that it 2168 01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:17,630 was it reminded me of whatever surface 2169 01:45:23,170 --> 01:45:20,610 panacea boo to the Pakistani Prime 2170 01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:23,180 Minister who was killed right after she 2171 01:45:33,140 --> 01:45:27,360 came out with the fact that Osama was in 2172 01:45:38,420 --> 01:45:33,150 this dilicious machine all that and he 2173 01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,430 had already died from that and so to tie 2174 01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:40,560 this back so it reminds me of that 2175 01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:44,010 because Obama used that as soon as she 2176 01:45:48,290 --> 01:45:46,650 took over he took that point and Bush 2177 01:45:50,810 --> 01:45:48,300 and those people in their new cars 2178 01:45:52,850 --> 01:45:50,820 couldn't you know go I said no he's 2179 01:45:54,890 --> 01:45:52,860 lying because Obama who's almost been 2180 01:45:57,320 --> 01:45:54,900 dead all the time right so he used that 2181 01:45:59,960 --> 01:45:57,330 political point milked it 2182 01:46:02,210 --> 01:45:59,970 it was just [\h__\h] everything but he 2183 01:46:05,390 --> 01:46:02,220 could use it for his own gain smart guy 2184 01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:05,400 now Trump may do something similar 2185 01:46:10,370 --> 01:46:08,010 regarding the space program he made good 2186 01:46:13,220 --> 01:46:10,380 wind of something's going on I want to 2187 01:46:14,930 --> 01:46:13,230 use this I want to you know we go into 2188 01:46:16,970 --> 01:46:14,940 space we're going to do this we're going 2189 01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:16,980 to do that first of he's not interested 2190 01:46:22,970 --> 01:46:20,010 in that but he has a guy in his team 2191 01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:22,980 that is and and who bragged and who 2192 01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:24,690 knows what's going on and that's why he 2193 01:46:28,729 --> 01:46:26,880 tried to use it as a winning point when 2194 01:46:33,229 --> 01:46:28,739 he was running for president and as Newt 2195 01:46:36,770 --> 01:46:33,239 go English dan tactical ferrer traveler 2196 01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:36,780 and so Newt Gingrich wanted to colonize 2197 01:46:40,130 --> 01:46:38,250 the moon when he was a president 2198 01:46:43,570 --> 01:46:40,140 candidate so and he's on Trump's team so 2199 01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:43,580 you know Trump has access so either it's 2200 01:46:49,550 --> 01:46:46,770 Trump hijacking this trying to use some 2201 01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:49,560 of it for his own benefit or it could be 2202 01:46:54,979 --> 01:46:51,119 the ordinary white 2203 01:46:57,020 --> 01:46:54,989 we have sham trails gone already 2204 01:46:58,580 --> 01:46:57,030 no we're gonna customize people to it so 2205 01:47:01,250 --> 01:46:58,590 let's start discussing it as a real 2206 01:47:02,899 --> 01:47:01,260 thing you know ever selling the by the 2207 01:47:04,970 --> 01:47:02,909 modification they're now discussing 2208 01:47:07,700 --> 01:47:04,980 doing sham trails in the class not just 2209 01:47:09,649 --> 01:47:07,710 contracts but in the classical chapters 2210 01:47:11,839 --> 01:47:09,659 definition Samba the Moors let's say 2211 01:47:13,729 --> 01:47:11,849 we've been on worse now we're talking 2212 01:47:18,020 --> 01:47:13,739 about going to Mars to acclimatize 2213 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:18,030 people so they never have to complain 2214 01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:20,010 and say hey we've been there if we're 2215 01:47:23,780 --> 01:47:21,810 already starting to establish ourselves 2216 01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:23,790 there that's how they do with all these 2217 01:47:28,250 --> 01:47:26,610 things internet was around long before 2218 01:47:30,620 --> 01:47:28,260 the public got access to it they've 2219 01:47:32,930 --> 01:47:30,630 already had it for military use so we 2220 01:47:35,870 --> 01:47:32,940 have stuff and the way to whitewash it 2221 01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:35,880 is to make a trivial and accessible to 2222 01:47:40,820 --> 01:47:38,159 everyone so that could be going on with 2223 01:47:42,859 --> 01:47:40,830 the secret space program that maybe what 2224 01:47:49,580 --> 01:47:42,869 Trump is doing either he's doing their 2225 01:47:51,709 --> 01:47:49,590 bidding or he's hijacking it or it was 2226 01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:51,719 triggered by this thing that just 2227 01:48:00,010 --> 01:47:54,690 happened because in either case if there 2228 01:48:04,580 --> 01:48:02,419 definitely we have something it doesn't 2229 01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:04,590 have to be that we are everything but we 2230 01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:06,330 know we have something and multicharts 2231 01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:09,570 is gonna put that to rest it's not gonna 2232 01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:11,310 be a debate after we talk with Micah 2233 01:48:18,500 --> 01:48:15,210 Strutt so so what did I accomplish 2234 01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:18,510 I think the accomplished as monstrous 2235 01:48:23,810 --> 01:48:20,610 was possible I don't think they're so 2236 01:48:26,379 --> 01:48:23,820 calming the huge backlash almost 2237 01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:26,389 everybody who's interested in this 2238 01:48:33,050 --> 01:48:30,090 dismissed it without evidence and I 2239 01:48:35,839 --> 01:48:33,060 entertained the spooky scenario so I 2240 01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:35,849 fully get that but I don't wanna I want 2241 01:48:39,709 --> 01:48:37,650 to be this I want to be scientific about 2242 01:48:41,899 --> 01:48:39,719 because it's too important for us to 2243 01:48:45,790 --> 01:48:41,909 kill it because of our own we're like 2244 01:48:50,540 --> 01:48:45,800 battered children a children of 2245 01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:50,550 alcoholics there are and I want to hear 2246 01:48:56,169 --> 01:48:53,840 the they attack the messenger and so 2247 01:48:59,800 --> 01:48:56,179 I've never been one of those who have 2248 01:49:01,729 --> 01:48:59,810 screamed and demanded disclosure but 2249 01:49:03,770 --> 01:49:01,739 when something like that 2250 01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:03,780 finally happens the same people who 2251 01:49:07,470 --> 01:49:04,810 demand it does 2252 01:49:09,690 --> 01:49:07,480 believe it and that didn't happen in the 2253 01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:09,700 attempts before it didn't happen Steven 2254 01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:11,920 Greer is still walking around like a 2255 01:49:18,420 --> 01:49:15,360 some kind of profit profiting from this 2256 01:49:22,980 --> 01:49:18,430 I'm not saying he's not sincere I'm just 2257 01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:22,990 saying he became a big deal and he 2258 01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:25,450 always suspect it's pretty suspect when 2259 01:49:30,900 --> 01:49:28,570 he stands on the stage with Richard Doty 2260 01:49:35,190 --> 01:49:30,910 and the same thing with Levin de the way 2261 01:49:37,970 --> 01:49:35,200 that he recasts in reimagines some I 2262 01:49:42,780 --> 01:49:37,980 think real owners honest someone 2263 01:49:48,810 --> 01:49:42,790 completely completely in the most just 2264 01:49:53,670 --> 01:49:48,820 terrible illegal terrorist way abused 2265 01:49:56,610 --> 01:49:53,680 Paul bennewitz drove him crazy all for 2266 01:49:58,260 --> 01:49:56,620 the reason that some honest American 2267 01:50:00,360 --> 01:49:58,270 came forward and tried to help his 2268 01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:00,370 country by disclosing information and 2269 01:50:04,890 --> 01:50:02,650 these guys just did this sigh up on him 2270 01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:04,900 and run him into the ground for Levada 2271 01:50:09,410 --> 01:50:07,570 to not stand up and say yeah everyone 2272 01:50:14,970 --> 01:50:09,420 associated but that needs to go to jail 2273 01:50:17,550 --> 01:50:14,980 for no say so the same but you know what 2274 01:50:20,130 --> 01:50:17,560 the big leave this I want to leave a 2275 01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:20,140 little bit of a cliffhanger here we 2276 01:50:25,980 --> 01:50:22,690 we've been at it for a while we need to 2277 01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:25,990 wrap it up but what a fantastic no but I 2278 01:50:32,670 --> 01:50:28,650 did some research for your benefits okay 2279 01:50:35,490 --> 01:50:32,680 okay I got a stop but you have a not the 2280 01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,500 ending cuz please tell me what you 2281 01:50:40,890 --> 01:50:38,400 haven't hit me with the factory yet 2282 01:50:44,180 --> 01:50:40,900 weren't you gonna confront me with the 2283 01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:44,190 fact that levander is a member of 2284 01:50:51,810 --> 01:50:48,730 certain organization I don't know where 2285 01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:51,820 to go with that completely but I'm 2286 01:50:58,080 --> 01:50:56,080 working on some more solid data's I have 2287 01:50:59,790 --> 01:50:58,090 the answer for it no no let's leave that 2288 01:51:02,280 --> 01:50:59,800 let's leave that as a cliffhanger 2289 01:51:05,490 --> 01:51:02,290 because we have to do this again I hope 2290 01:51:08,700 --> 01:51:05,500 what we accomplished today was really 2291 01:51:13,290 --> 01:51:08,710 what I set out to do and that is to give 2292 01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:13,300 people a sense for what forum Borealis 2293 01:51:18,060 --> 01:51:15,370 really is and it's fantastic 2294 01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:18,070 I mean the depth of knowledge that you 2295 01:51:23,370 --> 01:51:18,400 have 2296 01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:23,380 unsilent approach for us to be able to 2297 01:51:28,770 --> 01:51:25,810 have spirited discussions where we 2298 01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:28,780 disagree and for you to bring all this 2299 01:51:34,860 --> 01:51:32,560 new information to the table is is just 2300 01:51:38,220 --> 01:51:34,870 refreshing it's energizing it's the kind 2301 01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,230 of stuff that I love to do and I listen 2302 01:51:43,229 --> 01:51:40,239 to your stuff all the time I'm a member 2303 01:51:46,140 --> 01:51:43,239 I get all the inside track stuff other 2304 01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:46,150 people if they just start listening will 2305 01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:50,050 find the same and I'm just so thankful 2306 01:51:55,410 --> 01:51:53,199 that you came out from behind that that 2307 01:51:57,149 --> 01:51:55,420 mask although as you said we don't know 2308 01:51:59,459 --> 01:51:57,159 you might still be married wearing a 2309 01:52:01,620 --> 01:51:59,469 mask there but this is a rare video 2310 01:52:04,530 --> 01:52:01,630 appearance as well as audio appearance 2311 01:52:07,380 --> 01:52:04,540 from yeah it's right back into the 2312 01:52:10,709 --> 01:52:07,390 shadows we're done here oh hey man it's 2313 01:52:13,860 --> 01:52:10,719 been absolutely great having yon 2314 01:52:23,310 --> 01:52:13,870 sceptical thank you thank you for having 2315 01:52:23,320 --> 01:55:11,669 you 2316 01:55:16,050 --> 01:55:14,189 so thanks for watching this video if it 2317 01:55:18,630 --> 01:55:16,060 wasn't really a video but just an audio 2318 01:55:20,220 --> 01:55:18,640 stored as a video well I apologize but 2319 01:55:22,140 --> 01:55:20,230 there's more videos out there as well 2320 01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:22,150 but please check out the skeptic Oh 2321 01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:24,010 website you can see it here we cover a 2322 01:55:28,169 --> 01:55:25,360 lot of different stuff you might be 2323 01:55:31,500 --> 01:55:28,179 interested in relating to controversial 2324 01:55:34,919 --> 01:55:31,510 science and spirituality a lot of shows 2325 01:55:37,919 --> 01:55:34,929 up there over 350 of them or so all free 2326 01:55:39,370 --> 01:55:37,929 all available for downloads so do check